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To: Quix

The old testament teaches us the law and shows us how we fall short. The new testament teaches us the plan to rectify it. Any old testament condemnation by anyone other than God completely misses the point of the new testament in my my humble opinion.

Don’t get me wrong I agree with the sentiment of the prayer personally it’s just in my opinion, as Christians, we should pray for salvation for Ayers not for him to fall into the pit he has dug and so richly deserves. Compared to the glory of God none of us deserve any better.


31 posted on 03/12/2009 9:12:21 AM PDT by Free Descendant (Palin Power!)
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To: Free Descendant

I have no quibble with folks who feel led to pray for Ayers’ Salvation.

That’s not the brief I feel from The Lord re Ayers.

If it’s yours, by all means, help yourself.

Certainly we all deserve the worst punishment available for rebellion against God.

That’s not the issue.

There are those who have sold out to satan lock stock and eternity.

I find NO evidence in either Testament that we are to contend for their Salvation.

Of course, it is QUITE HAZARDOUS TO ASSUME a particular individual fits that category.

I sometimes have impressions from The Lord on that score but I mostly leave that to Him to sort out in His way and time.

However, when I feel led to pray a particular way as above, I do so.

If others feel led to pray for Shrillery, OThuga and/or Ayers’ Salvation—great.

On the whole, It’s not my brief.

I do sometimes preface prayers such as above with

LORD, IF IT’S POSSIBLE, PLEASE BRING THEM TO CONFESSION, REPENTANCE AND SALVATION IN CHRIST. IF IT’S NOT POSSIBLE . . .

On Ayers score . . . I have not the slightest impression in my spirit that there’s the slightest opening to Holy Spirit within or about Ayers . . . nor that there ever will be.

I hope you are not asserting that folks should pray for the Anti-Christ to be converted???

God help us!


34 posted on 03/12/2009 9:20:36 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Free Descendant

It is dangerous to believe the God of the Old Testament is a differnt God in the New Testament. Jesus said He didn’t come to change the Law, but to fullfill it. Things are no different now than they were. Otherwise you may be tempted to believe the Old Testament is no longer valid. The same God that cried out “Forgive them for they know not what they do”, killed every man, woman, and child in Sodom, and indeed killed every living creature on the face of the earth in the Flood. Bill Ayres and his ilk was a warning to the US for our drug use, sexual imorality, and murder of babies in the womb. Our country’s culture made a huge shift from the ‘50’s to the ‘60’s and we couldn’t defeat our enemies in Viet Nam, our President resigned in dishonor, the streets were on fire, murder, imorality, and almost every measurable culture norm declined during this period. Ayres was just a tool to chastise God’s people during this period. Needless to say, we didn’t learn a thing. God will quell the rebellion against Him by His people. It’s just a matter of degree of how far we take it before God gives us His blessing again. Praying for our enemies fail is a prayer for God’s people to repent and call on His name and He will forgive and shower His blessing on His people. My fear is God’s people won’t recognise evil and reject it. Remember Ayres is unrepentant. He is the enemy of your people. Don’t be on the wrong side because you misunderstand Scriptures.


41 posted on 03/12/2009 9:32:28 AM PDT by chuckles
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