BARACK HUSSEIN BIRTH ANNOUNCEMENT FORGERY ...... THE FRAUD GOES ON

Atlas Shrugs ^ | 3/20/09 | Pam Geller

[Calpernia]

I think I missed the whole story on how TechDude was discredited.

[pissant]

He’s the one who claimed to have found Maya’s name hidden under Barry’s on the COLB. No one else, Polarik, Canon, the PUMAs could reproduce that. Then he just dropped out syaing he was getting threats.

[bgill]

See #33.

Picture your old typewriter. If you were a secretary, you probably had your margins and tabs set and rarely moved them from one letter to the next. There would be no purpose of moving margins if all you did day in and day out was type the same basic form letter. It wasn’t until later that IBM came out with electric typewriters that with different cartriges or balls, you could change the font, but again if you were typing the same thing all the time (i.e. lists of births) why bother changing the font. Same with these old Linotype and print machines. They were bugger boos and though they were quicker there was still a lot that if you changed from the norm, you would have to stop and take the time to change it manually. If you wanted to change the width of a column you had to melt and pour a new spacer if you didn’t have that size already. They all worked within frames with 90 degree angles. Everything was lined up nice and neatly same as with a typewriter. If the corners weren’t 90 degrees you would have to manually take the time to fill in with lead to make them fit with the other sections of that page and then you would have to do everything by hand - take the letters and manually insert them rather than using the Linotype. That’s like using your typewriter to write the letter but then in the middle decided to leave a space and hand write a few lines. That makes no sense.

Fonts could be changed but as with a typewriter you have just so many letters that can be fit into the column. Same with a Linotype - see the word “line of type”. Birth announcements would be a menial job. You do the same thing in each edition. You know you have the 2 1/2 inches or whatever your paper has established as their column width and you stick to it issue after issue after issue. You know which font to use and you use only that font issue after issue after issue. Changing fonts in the middle would throw everything off.

I probably have missed vital points and haven’t explained things to apease the Linotype police, but this is the best I can do on the spur of the moment.

[cynwoody]

Where does your understanding come from?

Accounts by the people who visited the libraries and viewed the microfilm or microfiche and also statements by folks from the newspapers as to how the announcements were handled back in the time frame in question.

[Calpernia]

I do remember that. But how was he discredited?

[Calpernia]

I don’t remember seeing statements from newspapers on how the announcements were handled. Do you have a link?

[Chief Engineer]

This is MrsChief, it is me that requires surgery that may be delayed if the fight with bureacracy isn’t successful. As I recuperated from a shattered upper right arm I read the rumors and tracked them down but my attention has been refocused lately on rules and regulations after a recent diagnosis of breast cancer.

[cynwoody]

I don’t remember seeing statements from newspapers on how the announcements were handled. Do you have a link?

Actually, I don't remember whether there were any official, first hand statements from the newspapers.

A little googling refreshes the memory. It was a Hillary supporter, Lori Starfelt, who found the birth announcements in the library. Here is her account, from last summer posted on Texas Darlin's blog (boldface added):

• on July 22, 2008 at 9:36 pm | Reply Lori

  Hi, I’ve talked to the Department of Vital Records and the Honolulu Advertiser.In 1961, the hospitals would take their new birth certificates to Vital Records. At the end of the week, Vital Records would post a sheet that for the news paper to pick up that contained births, deaths, marriages and divorces. The Advertiser routinely printed this information in their Sunday edition. This is not a paid announcement that his grandmother could arrange. This is information that comes from Vital Records - we know this because this particular section reflects those records. They didn’t have a provision for paid, one sentence announcement that would be included in the Vital Records. At the time, if a child was born outside a hospital, the family would have 30 days to apply for a birth certificate and Vital Records would expect to see prenatal care records, or pediatrician records of the first check up, etc. They’d also want the notarized statement from the mid-wife. Of course, they can apply later but that would noted as a different kind of birth certificate. I think TD has already addressed that. This information was received by Vital Records the first week of his birth = that suggests the hospital.

  Next, the announcement is from Sunday, August 13th and Obama was born on Friday, August 4th. Hospitals usually don’t take birth certificate information the first couple days to avoid changes. So it was likely filled out on the 4th or so, as hospital stays were usually 3 - 5 days at the time. Lastly, having worked in a newborn nursery in college, hospitals don’t ask for documentation. If mom says she’s married, that’s what they write. They have no authority to question her statement.

  In Honolulu at the time, paid birth announcements weren’t in vogue. Frequently families would post one year announcements that included pictures from the party, etc. I haven’t checked to see if that exists.

  I hope that finishes clearing this up.
  

• on July 22, 2008 at 9:52 pm | Reply texasdarlin

  Thanks Lori.

  By the way, this is the PUMA Lori who found the announcement and forwarded it to me.

[Señor Zorro]

I guess I don't follow the argument given about the Linotype typesetting machine and the alignment issued raised.

The Linotype argument had nothing to do with the certificate itself, it was with regard to the newspaper article(s) that are circulating as corroborating evidence. The argument runs that, since Barack's birth was announced in a local Hawaiian paper in 1961, he was probably born there as it would have been unlikely to impossible for it to have run otherwise. What this article is saying is that the announcement itself is a forgery and that no such announcement ran. Finally, the article concludes that if Obama and his minions would go to such extremes as forging a birth announcement, it is probably because he wasn't actually born there.

Frankly, I have not made up my mind yet as to what I think of the existence or non-existence of Barack Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate. The honest truth is that no answer would surprise me at this point. That Obama isn't a citizen and needs to hide it. That he is a citizen and wants to hide something embarrassing on his birth certificate (like listing his religion as Muslim, as some have indicated). Or that there is nothing whatever wrong with it and the man is just a first rate arrogant jerk who wants to flaunt the rules.

I do think, however, that the man should be required by either Congress or the Supreme Court, to prove his eligibility. If there is any question, then the candidate should be forced to prove eligibility. If Barack's downward slide continues and he is ineligible, it would not surprise me if the Democrats themselves force the skeleton out of his closet to silence him and put an end to the embarrassment. It seems unlikely, but not outside the realm of possibility. It would be perfect from the party's point of view: the king with the sword over his head.

Someday, the truth will come out. Whether it is tomorrow, three years, or three hundred, the cat will get out of the bag and I hope I am around to see it.

[autumnraine]

Oh my! You are definitely in my prayers!

[ml/nj]

statements by folks from the newspapers as to how the announcements were handled back in the time frame in question

I guess I'd like to see a link to a credible source or two that reports such statements. I find it odd that people can be found who remember the newspaper policies from nearly 50 years ago, but there are no hospital records that confirm that either the now President or his mother were ever inpatients at any of the Honolulu hospitals.

It should be pretty easy to take some of the other certificate images that have been proffered on the web; and see if all of them were reported in these papers. I'm betting they weren't. Or to compare the number of announcements that appeared over some period of time and then compare with the expected number for that period from census or other data.

ML/NJ

[WhirlwindAttack]

The information is questionable if the neighbor is correct, but the misalignment is something that always struck me as odd. ESPECIALLY given in 1961 the newspaper wasn’t designed on computer, but on a typeset. Can an expert on typeset tell me if you can misalign the columns that way? Because from my memory of it, it must be level all the way across, it’s not like you have the columns vertical and can make them not line up. In a typeset, the page is lined up all the way across, but the words were columnized.

I'm not an expert but I learned to work a linotype in high school back in the 70's.

Type casters were invented to make typesetting uniform. Equal spacing between rows and columns when hand setting type from a California Job Case is a much slower process and is not as uniform.

By 1960 most newspapers were using offset printing with continuous rolls of paper. This is not possible with linotype slugs as they use sheet fed presses. (look at the edges of your local news rags there is a sawtooth edge on the top and bottom edge, thats a sign it's roll paper newsprint.) Smooth edges would show it's sheet fed.

I could tell you more if I could see the actual page and not a photo.

Everything is printed. We used to play the "How is it printed game?" in school. By looking at actual examples the paper tells as much a story as the print.

If it was linotype it would be uniform with the rest of the column. If it's hand set it could be inserted and would look different. If it's photo offset it was pasted up, shot on film, masked and stripped then burned onto a metal plate. It could also be non uniform if it was cut and pasted in.

I can't tell you more without seeing the original.
I hope this helps you.

[LucyT]

Thank you, WhirlwindAttack. Very interesting.

Polarik, ping to #52.

[Calpernia]

>>>Actually, I don’t remember whether there were any official, first hand statements from the newspapers.

That is exactly what I wanted to know. So the answer is no.

>>>A little googling refreshes the memory. It was a Hillary supporter, Lori Starfelt,

That is the announcement I said was a forgery. Now we have P.I. confirming it is one.

[Calpernia]

Oh, and adding, that was the same announcement that was in the file folders on the server with the ‘photos’ of the COLB FactCheck created.

[freeplancer]

pfl

[cynwoody]

I find it odd that people can be found who remember the newspaper policies from nearly 50 years ago, but there are no hospital records that confirm that either the now President or his mother were ever inpatients at any of the Honolulu hospitals.

There are still plenty of old geezers around who remember how stuff was done back in the day. On the other hand, hospitals and such do tend to dispose of or misplace old records after a few years or decades. Especially, if the pertinent parts of such records are supposedly safely recorded by the Department of Health.

Or to compare the number of announcements that appeared over some period of time and then compare with the expected number for that period from census or other data.

Remember that certificate number that was famously redacted with a black rectangle on the CoLB image the Obama campaign first released? Well, they let FactCheck.org post an unredacted image. The certificate number turns out to be 151 1961 - 010641. The last block of digits indicates Obama's was the 10,641st birth that year. Someone (I can't remember the link) looked up the stats, did the calculation, and concluded that that number agreed quite well with the August 4th birth date.

[pissant]

Find the Maya under the Barry

[Calpernia]

>>>On the other hand, hospitals and such do tend to dispose of or misplace old records after a few years or decades. Especially, if the pertinent parts of such records are supposedly safely recorded by the Department of Health.

And it is really easy to dispose of records from hospitals that didn’t exist. Like the birth records, which weren’t there, at Kapiolani. Since they didn’t do deliveries in an outpatient clinic, those records are easily discarded. That is like trading hot air.

But, a hospital like Kapiolani Hospital, in service since 1972, wouldn’t destroy records, they would have them archived.

[Calpernia]

I don’t have the software to do that. I do very limited media (pictures and video) cause I am not set up for it hardware or software wise.