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Buying First Handgun - Advice Please
4/27/09 | Me

Posted on 04/27/2009 6:41:14 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo

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To: Thane_Banquo
Not sure if she's ever bea ble to handle 357M

Okay, I'll break my own rule about contributing to these threads to chime in here with a comment about sexism. I taught my daughter to shoot when she was 10. When she was 21 I made her the gift of a 357 Ruger SP101 she'd been handling since she was 15. Recently she turned 28 and asked me to take her back to the range (she's not been shooting since she was 22) and she remembered everything as if it were yesterday. I was so much the proud pop! Note however that the DAO trigger pull on her little 357 is a bit too much for her to comfortably shoot so she'd want to go to the range to practice. So I'll wind up getting her a Sig 9mm since she liked mine so much.

She has a little friend that has spindly little arms and legs since she was born prematurely. This gal is a little younger than my daughter but her dad was an NRA Instructor too and used to live in the neighborhood. He passed a few months ago (RIP). We used to take the girls to the range together when they were in high school. That other gal was a hunter and she bagged a 400+ pound wild hog for her 16th birthday with a 44 magnum handgun, waist deep in swamp and blasting away, she nailed him clean on the 4th and 5th shots at about 20 meters. That hog fed 35 people when served up by a restaurant here in Miami back then.

So don't go selling ANYBODY short based on gender or size when it comes to firearms, okay?

121 posted on 04/27/2009 11:18:20 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Sudetenland

“You may not like Glocks, but they are the preferred firearm for a vast majority of police departments in America and for military around the world.”

Glock also throws incentives for PD’s to buy them like nobody else.


122 posted on 04/27/2009 11:24:58 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective.)
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To: Sudetenland

“They are safe, reliable and affordable. You keep your CZ’s. “

The CZ75B is one of the all-time best selling (and widely used) pistols in the world. I would venture to guess they have sold more of them than any Glock model.


123 posted on 04/27/2009 11:26:45 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective.)
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To: MHGinTN

I would go for the Ruger LCP over the Kel-tec for reliability....heck, I already have;-)


124 posted on 04/27/2009 11:28:13 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
"never again" after one cylinder full of .357's out of an Airweight J frame Smith.

Well of course! Ask him if he'd fire a rapid fire string of 44 mags out of one of the new Titanium Smith ultra lite revolvers. Same but worse. I'll bet the smith he used for that cylinder had the standard small diameter wood grips too. Stick a Hogue monogrip or a set of Pachmyers on it and the result will be more comfortable shooting all the way around. Recoil is mostly mental and that is almost always perception based on subjective information from others, not actual experience. However, I never recommend that firearms with stout recoil be undertaken by novices.

125 posted on 04/27/2009 11:31:02 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier; Squantos
Ask him if he'd fire a rapid fire string of 44 mags out of one of the new Titanium Smith ultra lite revolvers.

I believe our own esteemed Squantos had a "come to Jesus" with a 329 PD.

I'll bet the smith he used for that cylinder had the standard small diameter wood grips too.

Nope, factory Hogues.

Recoil is mostly mental

Well, the blood from where his hand split was real enough. I had a numb spot on my thumb for 3 years due to 300 gr hardcasts and a Ruger Bisley Hunter that pinched a nerve. Glad it was all in my mind. ;)

126 posted on 04/27/2009 11:56:44 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (When I leave this planet, it's gonna know I was here.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim; ExSoldier

One load now for the 329PD.....buffalo bore 255gr keith semi wad cutter reduced recoil load is all I pack in 44 mag for that “scandium” rigs fly fishing missions........44 specials, 200gr GDHP’s are best all round loads for late night snack runs to the stop and rob !

Come to jesus meeting was the 500 linebaugh !.......:o)

Ow !


127 posted on 04/27/2009 12:10:20 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Thane_Banquo

Your first hand gun ought to be a medium sized .357 revolver. Simple, reliable, and if used, cheap. Go to a gun show and buy a used one from an individual to avoid paperwork — while it is still legal. Lots of people walking the aisles have guns for sale.


128 posted on 04/27/2009 12:31:23 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (I am inconsolate over the death of our country.)
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To: VeniVidiVici
S&W 686. A .357 that is very enjoyable to shoot .38spl

Ah, nothing like my 6" 686 7 shot with a Reflex Sight... Oh, Joy! That is until I need to press some out, then its the trusty 'ole Glock 17 with a high cap mag...

...AOV gets that glazed look in his eyes again and hits the net for a little gun porn surfing...

129 posted on 04/27/2009 1:09:51 PM PDT by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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To: Sudetenland
Glocks have 3 built in safeties. It is every bit as safe as a revolver...you must pull the trigger for it to fire. Glocks have been dropped from airplanes, buildings, and people...they do not go off accidentally.

I've carried the Glock for years and when one of these weapons "accidentally" discharges... there is or was a finger on the trigger. Although I like the gun, IMHO it is not a good gun for rookies, ESPECIALLY if you carry condition one.

I've had a few people come to me lately, asking what gun they should get, I ask some general questions and recommend a weapon... for the newbies I've been recommending Revolvers, due to the simplicity of carry, use and maintenance.

130 posted on 04/27/2009 1:32:24 PM PDT by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Okay, LOL let me qualify that one a bit (I remember cold cocking myself on a 375 JDJ Thompson Contender back in the late 1970s when they first came out)! Recoil is mostly a block mentally for novice shooters concerning standard defensive calibers. Folks quail at the thought of a 45 because daddy and brother all shudder when they speak of the "monster" 45. It even IS a monster recoil if that's the first gun some idiot trying to play Tarzan (but really comes off as Cheeta the chimp) hands a lady with hot loads to try her first shots.... results in the inevitable: There there Darlin' don't you worry your pretty little head 'bout nothin' I'M HERE TO PROTECT YOU.... Always makes me want to BARF. I made certain my daughter never had to suffer that.
131 posted on 04/27/2009 1:43:23 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
"The CZ75B is one of the all-time best selling (and widely used) pistols in the world. I would venture to guess they have sold more of them than any Glock model."
Glock production is about double that of CZ75B and variants, at over 2,000,000.
132 posted on 04/27/2009 1:47:16 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Congress has too many politicians and Leftistlators and not enough Constitutionalists.)
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To: Thane_Banquo
The intention was to have her shoot 38SP and then, if she ever gets to the point where she wants to try it, she can shoot 357M.

Don't take my word alone for this, but in my experience, although 38SP's may shoot out of a .357, they are wildly inaccurate. Having to break her in with an inherently inaccurate gun/ammo combo may prove to frustrate the newbie...

I'd seriously consider breaking her in on a .22 revolver. then rent her a .357 to try out after she's at least familiar with shooting.

If the .357 is too much for her, try the new .327 Magnum.

Good luck and good shooting...

133 posted on 04/27/2009 1:47:22 PM PDT by Kenton (BUCK OFAMA!)
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To: Thane_Banquo

Bite the bullet and say “yes dear”, “whatever you want dear”.

She has it right, 3”- 4” .357 revolver.

Unless you plan on spending mucho hours becoming so familiar with the semi-auto that it’s controls are second nature, stick with a revolver. And that includes Glocks and similar type autos.

My ‘go to when I wake up from a sound sleep and am groggy’ protection is/are revolvers.


134 posted on 04/27/2009 1:53:25 PM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: AvOrdVet
There are a lot of advantages in a revolver as I stated in my first comment on this post...as an old-timer I have a soft spot for a wheel gun. I just love a "smoke-wagon."

I'm looking at buying a S&W Model 22 to compliment my G-21SF. Double Tap has a Keith-style hard cast 255g 45 auto rim that clocks out at 900fps.

I was responding directly to a comment about Glocks not having a safety.
135 posted on 04/27/2009 1:55:17 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Congress has too many politicians and Leftistlators and not enough Constitutionalists.)
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To: Sudetenland; All

CZ 75 B is used by more Governments, Militaries, Police and Security agencies than any other pistol in the world.

http://www.policelink.com/products/products/2707-cz-75-b

Total Glock production may surpas one model of the CZ, but that is NOT an apples to apples comparison, as you are comparingone model to an entire fleet.


136 posted on 04/27/2009 1:56:30 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective.)
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To: ExSoldier

I hear you about the “folk wisdom” contingent. Agreed on handing the “little lady” a hot round. Mrs. Slim started with a Smith 17 and worked up. Take care, FRiend.


137 posted on 04/27/2009 1:58:02 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (When I leave this planet, it's gonna know I was here.)
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To: Kenton
try the new .327 Magnum.

Have you shot it yet? How about a quick review.

138 posted on 04/27/2009 1:59:12 PM PDT by xone
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To: Vinnie

Well, we’re getting one for her and one for me. So we may go semi-auto and revolver. Added benefit is we can both learn the other’s gun.


139 posted on 04/27/2009 1:59:21 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo (President George W. Bush, RINO-in-Chief.)
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To: Thane_Banquo

Boy this started a lot of discussion. Go with what works. Listen to the salespeople. They are gun folks like the rest of us. Whatever you go with, the key is practice. Get to know the pistol in every way. If you ever have to use it, you won’t have to think, you will do.
Best of luck to you.
Another benefit, I trained my wife so it keeps me pretty straight. She is a good shot and if the kids or dogs are threatened, heaven help the bad guy. .45 cal puts pretty big holes in bad guys.


140 posted on 04/27/2009 2:08:13 PM PDT by Texas resident (Older but smarter)
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