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In Hawaii in 1961, there were three different birth certificates
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Posted on 05/12/2009 11:46:25 AM PDT by cycle of discernment

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To: Las Vegas Ron

This statement is published on Barack Obama’s “Fight the Smears” website:

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.”

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaFamily.htm#BarackTheBrit


51 posted on 05/12/2009 1:52:23 PM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: freedomlover

Do you really believe that there was a conspiracy in place in 1961 to make it appear as though Obama was born in Hawaii that involved placing a birth announcement in the newspaper?


If not for that, I might have some interest in this, but that issue fact (?) alone puts it to bed for me.
Heck if it turns out there was a conspiracy deep enough to put that together we are screwed anyway.

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IT’S SIMPLE; HIS MOTHER WANTED HIM TO HAVE ALL THE ADVANTAGES OF BEING AN AMERICAN CITIZEN.

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52 posted on 05/12/2009 1:57:10 PM PDT by patriot08
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To: Electric Graffiti

Ann Dunham, mother of Obama, at age 18 visited Cuba , with a group to give support to the Castro government. During her stay in Cuba in 1960, she was involved with voluntary work living in a commune in the central zone of Cuba, where she met a young Cuban Francisco Cundo from the town of Sagua la Grande....When Ann left Cuba in Dec 1960, she was 2 months pregnant. When she went back to Hawaii where her parents lived, she continued her studies at the University of Hawaii in Manoa where she met Barack Obama Sr., with whom she married in Feb. 1961. In his book “The Audacity of Hope”, Obama says that his mother was 4 months pregnant when she married his father. If we continue the chronology of these actions, one can prove that the biological father of the son of Ann was Cuban....Francisco Cundo not Barack Obama Sr. This creates a new situation if the possible new president Obama, since it would make him of Cuban origin with roots in the town of Sagua la Grande.

A DNA tests. Obama to the Kenyan Obamas, should prove this story!


53 posted on 05/12/2009 1:58:08 PM PDT by WellyP
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To: patriot08
IT’S SIMPLE; HIS MOTHER WANTED HIM TO HAVE ALL THE ADVANTAGES OF BEING AN AMERICAN CITIZEN.

That's why Anna made sure that Obama's half-sister Maya, born in Jakarta, Indonesia, also had (has) a Hawaiin COLB.
54 posted on 05/12/2009 1:59:55 PM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Father did not have to be a U.S Citizen if he had a “Green Card” or was a perment resident. He was here on a student Visa.


55 posted on 05/12/2009 2:01:38 PM PDT by WellyP
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To: Beckwith

Right, FRiend.


56 posted on 05/12/2009 2:04:36 PM PDT by patriot08
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To: LucyT
The Noelani Elementary School Kindergarten records are oddly missing from the the State of Hawaii Department of Education.

Confirmed! -- Reliable source.

"I acquired the picture below from Winifred (Wakai) Otaguro, who was in Ms. Sakai’s kindergarten class at Noelani Elementary School in 1967. Otaguro’s mother, Betty Wakai, had written the names of most of the kids in the class on the back of the picture. Her writing identifies the first little boy in the third row as “Barry Obama.” Obama’s sister Maya Soetoro-Ng confirms that the boy is Obama, however, the Department of Education has been unable to find his records."

Kelli Abe Trifonovitch, writing in Hawaii Business.

Being-Local-Barry-and-Bryan


57 posted on 05/12/2009 2:10:12 PM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: WellyP
"During her stay in Cuba in 1960, she was involved with voluntary work living in a commune in the central zone of Cuba"

Wasn't Cuba in revolution aftermath and the US starting an embargo at the time? Seems like a dangerous undertaking for a 16/17 year old. Doesn't pass the smell test.
58 posted on 05/12/2009 2:10:44 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: WellyP
He was still a British citizen though, even though he may have been here legally.

That still does not confer natural born status though.

59 posted on 05/12/2009 2:12:29 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (I'd rather the world hate us then laugh at us)
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To: Beckwith
Yes, but evidently, race trumps law these days.
60 posted on 05/12/2009 2:13:51 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (I'd rather the world hate us then laugh at us)
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To: cycle of discernment

Go after his college records.


61 posted on 05/12/2009 2:16:02 PM PDT by Sir Gawain ("Let every man make known what kind of government would command his respect" - Thoreau)
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To: Beckwith; Gemsbok; Fred Nerks

Thanks for the confirmation, Beckwith.

Gemsbok, check out post #57, no need for a further search.


62 posted on 05/12/2009 2:24:47 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: Electric Graffiti

Stanley Ann Dunham was born on November 29, 1942 at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas so, she was 18 when she left Cuba.

I have some Cuban friends. I will work on this!

The Embargo: The Foreign Assistance Act (Pub.L. 87-195, 75 Stat. 424, enacted September 4, 1961, 22 U.S.C. § 2151 et seq.) is a United States Act of Congress.


63 posted on 05/12/2009 2:28:35 PM PDT by WellyP
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To: freedomlover

FYI.

http://www.hillarysvillage.net/showthread.php?t=4560

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2172416/posts

See #39


64 posted on 05/12/2009 2:39:26 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: WellyP; LucyT

Barak’s father—Vanity
an email | october 29, 2008 | Oswaldo F. Hernandez-Campos

Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:27:52 AM by Fawn

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2124007/posts


65 posted on 05/12/2009 3:01:04 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: BigEdLB
Why on earth is Barry fighting this so much.

I can only say this. If I personally were President of the United States and the liberals were trying to use an analogous situation in my past I would refuse to cooperate just to piss them off and make them run around in little circles screaming and yelling. Especially if the conservatives who voted for me did not care about the issue the slightest bit. Especially if the news media didn't care about it one bit. Especially if I had a billionaire who was willing to pick up the tab on the legal fees for me. I'd do it just to keep them pissed off and screaming.

Then if it ever got to the point that I actually had to produce the birth certificate, bingo, I whip it out and make all the liberals look like jackasses.

Since I believe that His Zero-ness was actually born in Hawaii(as unhappy as that fact makes me), I believe that this is what he is doing.

If any one of you can actually prove he was born in another country to someone other than Stanley Ann Dunham, please do so. I will be forever grateful. But I'm not holding my breath.

66 posted on 05/12/2009 3:09:31 PM PDT by Cheburashka (Lesson #1 from Battlestar Galactica: Never turn your back on your toaster.)
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To: cycle of discernment

obumpa


67 posted on 05/12/2009 3:57:35 PM PDT by Dajjal (Obama is an Ericksonian NLP hypnotist.)
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To: rreahsito
The “Original” birth certificate that “O” posted on his campaign site had “Date filed by Registrar” as August 8, 1961, so I wouldn’t see how he could get by with going over as an adult to create what was supposedly in existence in 1961.

If it is a "delayed" or "unattended" type certificate, then it's possible that he was born earlier, maybe not too much earlier, than the certificate says. Also possibly not where the certificate says. If his original certificate shows his grandmother as witness, rather than an attending physician or midwife, and birth in someplace other than a hospital, that would be somewhat suspecious. His mother and grandmother would not have falsified the application so that he could be natural born, and eligible to the office of President, but rather so he could be a citizen at all, since IF he was born outside the country and IF his father was not a citizen (which he was not IF he was Barack H. Obama Sr.) then he was not a citizen at birth, provided his parents were married, since his mother did not then meet the criteria for passing on US citizenship to her offspring. (She did by the time his half sister was born) In 1961, even left wing types still saw advantages to being an American citizen.

68 posted on 05/12/2009 4:10:32 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Devils Avocado
It occurs to me that maybe it's in his best interest not to. Sure, maybe he was secretly born in Kenya, but a vast conspiracy of people who wanted him to become President 47 years later placed a birth announcement in the newspaper, and then conspired with Hawaiian record-keeping agencies, hitherto non-partisan, to risk their quiet, bookish careers to lie about the records they have on file.

It would not take a "vast conspiracy", just his mother or grandmother filing an unattended birth certificate. That would generate the announcement in the papers(plural) and produce the exact same "Certification" that was posted. The reason they would do that would be to make him a citizen, not so he could become President 47 years later. They'd need to do that because at the time of his birth, his mother was not eligible to pass on citizenship, if he was born outside the country to a foreign national father, not having lived in the US for a sufficient number of years (5) after her 14th birthday, since she was not yet 19.

69 posted on 05/12/2009 4:16:42 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
We have all figured out that it is very likely Obama, Sr. is not and could not have been Bambi's genetic father. Most of us assume Obama, Sr. signed the birth certificate to cover for Hot Pants Annie getting prego by another black man. We will never know what it cost the Dunham family to get Obama, Sr. to sign. He sure as Hell got out of town as fast as he could!

It appears that unknowingly, Obama, Sr. did us a big favor by passing on British Citizenship at birth to Jr., making it impossible for him to be a NBC.

70 posted on 05/12/2009 4:34:52 PM PDT by WellyP
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To: Las Vegas Ron
She wouldn't need to go through that. The child would be a US citizen because the mother was, though not natural born.

Not if born outside the country, in 1961, with an 18 y/o mother and non-citizen father. In such cases, that is non-citizen father, and born outside the country, the US citizen mother must have resided in the US for a certain number of years, and another number of those must have been after her 14th birthday. In 1961 the latter number was 5 years, Stanley Ann was only 18, and thus failed that criteria. (It's now 2 years, but the law at the time of birth is what counts).

So, if he was born outside the country, and hasn't been naturalized, he's not only not natural born, he's not a citizen. But if he has been naturalized, then while he was OK as Senator, and would be OK as Illinois governor, he's not OK as President.

71 posted on 05/12/2009 4:45:59 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: antiRepublicrat
easier to fake a Hawaiian birth by putting an announcement in the paper and submitting for a certificate of birth.

Filing for the certificate, with a falsified place and date of birth, would generate the announcement in the paper.

72 posted on 05/12/2009 4:49:27 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
he's not OK as President.

Amen to that.

I've seen different versions of that law but either way and anyway you look at it, he's a fraud.

We've been duped in the highest mannor.

73 posted on 05/12/2009 4:54:53 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (I'd rather the world hate us then laugh at us)
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To: rreahsito
>>>so I wouldn’t see how he could get by with going over as an adult to create what was supposedly in existence in 1961.

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....could be issued upon testimony of an adult including the subject person

It doesn't say it had to be him. Just an adult.

74 posted on 05/12/2009 5:05:52 PM PDT by fanfan (God, Bless America, please.)
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To: Electric Graffiti
The United States Library of Congress has selected TheObamaFile.com for inclusion in its historic collections of Internet materials

Wow! Excellent.
75 posted on 05/12/2009 5:11:20 PM PDT by visualops (portraits.artlife.us or visit my freeper page)
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To: Cheburashka
If any one of you can actually prove he was born in another country to someone other than Stanley Ann Dunham, please do so. I will be forever grateful

Why to "someone other than..."? Stanley Ann was young enough when BHO was born, that she could not pass US Citizenship to him, under the law as it existed in 1961. Only if (1) He was born in the US or (2)His parents were not married at the time, would he have been a citizen at birth. Since there are divorce papers that seem to indicate that Stanley Ann was married to BHO Sr at the time of his birth, condition (2) is not satisfied. (Doesn't matter if BHO Sr was not really his biological father).

76 posted on 05/12/2009 5:36:45 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
Because Obama, Sr. was not a permanent resident or a U.S. Citizen when he signed the papers (and got out of town) he DID pass on AUTOMATIC British Citizenship to BAMBI! FUBO!
77 posted on 05/12/2009 5:47:46 PM PDT by WellyP
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To: Devils Avocado; LucyT; null and void; Polarik
You present a very good argument for the deception that Obama may be attempting allowing this little matter of his eligibility to continue, providing time for him to pass legislation truly damaging to society and the country, and our political system. It's true that some are looking at his right hand moving (or more accurately, his lips moving) and missing what he does with his left; that implies conspiracy....on the part of Obama and his handlers.

There wasn't a conspiracy in Honolulu in 1961 to produce a CoLB for young Barry so he could be president. His maternal grandmother faced facts when her wayward daughter came home with a child in tow and used the existing laws and her own management and manipulation abilities to secure an identity and citizenship for the kid. (I have no knowledge that can prove or disprove Obama's place of birth and neither does he. It could be anywhere since his grandmother secured for him a 'Straggler's birth certificate).

The Birth Certificate issue has nothing to do with conspiracy. However, the CoLB published was phony. His autobiographies were fiction and his education, travel, Selective Service number, changes in citizenship missing or undisclosed. These are the minutia in this politician's resume that suggest fraud.

What Obama faces if discovery is allowed in any of the court cases challenging his eligibility (discovery prior to any indictment or trial....look it up) is criminal fraud, mail fraud, FEC violations and probably a list of RICO violations longer than your arm.

I think it ridiculous that Obama's legal defense argues before the courts that Discovery would be 'embarassing'. Think that over.
78 posted on 05/12/2009 9:37:03 PM PDT by BIGLOOK
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To: Devils Avocado

Since when do someone with a Phd in Philosphy and someone with an M.A. in English Lit qualify as document examiners? Also did you not read the stories behind the “birth announcements” which appeared in the Sunday, August 13, 1961 “Honolulu Advertiser” and the Wednesday, August 16, 1961 edition of “The Star Bulletin” list an address which was not related to either the Dunham family OR to Obama Sr? You must have missed both of those stories when they appeared, the same way you missed the testimony of the neighbor of the listed birth announcement home who swore that there had never been a young white woman and colored baby ever live at that home at any time. The neighbor had lived there since before 1960.


79 posted on 05/12/2009 10:16:46 PM PDT by Chief Engineer
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To: freedomlover

Did you ever stop to think that the mere fact of registering the birth generated the birth announcement in the paper and served as a way to “protect a wayward daughter’s honor” while serving as a beginningof a story to build on when that mother returned to HI with a young boy a few years later? I can hear it now, “Isn’t it a shame Ann’s marriage didn’t work out and she is left to raise the baby on her own?”
Grandma’s co-worker’s didn’t even know she was a grandma until Jr returned to HI to attend Punahou and he stopped in at the bank to wait for a drive home. Pretty amazing to keep quiet about having a grandson for 10 years don’t you think? Grandpa was his constant companion when he and Ann returned to HI in 1963 while grandma earned the money!


80 posted on 05/12/2009 10:27:15 PM PDT by Chief Engineer
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To: Chief Engineer
Since when do someone with a Phd in Philosphy and someone with an M.A. in English Lit qualify as document examiners? Also did you not read the stories behind the “birth announcements” which appeared in the Sunday, August 13, 1961 “Honolulu Advertiser” and the Wednesday, August 16, 1961 edition of “The Star Bulletin” list an address which was not related to either the Dunham family OR to Obama Sr? You must have missed both of those stories when they appeared, the same way you missed the testimony of the neighbor of the listed birth announcement home who swore that there had never been a young white woman and colored baby ever live at that home at any time. The neighbor had lived there since before 1960.

Yep -- links please.

81 posted on 05/12/2009 10:47:32 PM PDT by Devils Avocado
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To: cycle of discernment; Beckwith; null and void; stockpirate; pissant; PhilDragoo; Candor7; ...
7. That statement failed to resolve any of the questions being raised by litigation across the country over the issue of Obama’s birth and qualifications for the office of the President of the United States, including: a. The specific type of certificate was not identified. Could it be the certificate for someone born outside of the State of Hawaii? b. Being “on record” could mean either that its contents are in the computer database of the department or an actual “vault” original.

Yes, exactly. That's what I said a month ago to Why Obama will never show his vault birth certificate:

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As a matter of record (and "Record" is the operative word here), when Fukino made her "earth-shaking" announcement on Oct. 31, that she and Dr. Onaka had "personally seen and verified" that they have "Barack Obama's original birth certificate on record," they may not have even looked at a physical piece of paper!

They could have been staring at an envelope in which the original birth certificate would have been sealed when it was exchanged for a Hawaiian COLB up to a year after Obama was born. Heck, the envelope could have been empty, or contain a blank sheet of paper for all we were NOT told.

They could have been staring at a computer screen with a database RECORD on which the date of the late birth registration was entered and the country of origin for the original birth certificate accepted for exchange.

What else could "on record," mean? One one thing that Fukino and Onaka NEVER SAID was that Obama was born in Hawaii. You can bet your bottom dollar that if they knew Obama was a Hawaiian homey, there would be a State-sponsored luau in Obama's honor still be going on.

The two of them ought to go on "Dancing with the Stars" the way they danced around Obama's birth certificate issue.

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82 posted on 05/13/2009 8:01:05 AM PDT by Polarik (Forgeries are forever)
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To: All
They could have been staring at a computer screen with a database RECORD on which the date of the late birth registration was entered and the country of origin for the original birth certificate accepted for exchange.

CertificaTION of Live Birth -- A computer-generated printout of the source birth record document(s).

The Hawaiian "CertificaTION of Live Birth" -- 13 fields of data:

The Hawaiian "CertificATE of Live Birth" -- 24 fields of data
(really 38 depending on how you count them):

The most important data fields for Obama will be Blocks 5-9, 18-22 and most importantly, Block 23.

You just know there's going to be something funky in the "Evidence for Delayed Filing or Alteration" block -- Block 23...


83 posted on 05/13/2009 8:34:26 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Polarik
Worth repeating:

You can bet your bottom dollar that if they knew Obama was a Hawaiian homey, there would be a State-sponsored luau in Obama's honor still going on.

84 posted on 05/13/2009 8:51:34 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 114of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: Polarik
As a matter of record (and "Record" is the operative word here), when Fukino made her "earth-shaking" announcement on Oct. 31, that she and Dr. Onaka had "personally seen and verified" that they have "Barack Obama's original birth certificate on record,"

Knowing that it was a HUGE issue whether or not he was actual born in Hawaii... Don't you think those officials would've have actually come out and stated..."Yes, he DEFINITELY was born here in Hawaii, and we can verify that!"

The reason they probably didn't was because they knew that if the certificate ever sees the light of day, they'd be shown to be liars and now they can say... "We NEVER said he was born in Hawaii, check the transcript!"

85 posted on 05/13/2009 9:04:12 AM PDT by RogerWilko
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To: RogerWilko; BIGLOOK; Beckwith; LucyT; ExTexasRedhead
Knowing that it was a HUGE issue whether or not he was actual born in Hawaii... Don't you think those officials would've have actually come out and stated..."Yes, he DEFINITELY was born here in Hawaii, and we can verify that!"

Oh, yeah, I said last year when this thing came out that if they discovered that Obama really was born in Hawaii, the state would have thrown him a year-long luau in his honor.

It's like a man finding out from a DNA test that the most famous person in America is not his biological son. He would say, "I've been with the same woman for 20 years and totally faithful to her. I was with her when she got pregnant, when she went into labor, and I talked her through his birth. I've been a model father."

All true, sociologically, but not biologically.

86 posted on 05/13/2009 10:51:40 AM PDT by Polarik (Forgeries are forever)
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To: null and void

That’s funny...I just did! ;-)


87 posted on 05/13/2009 10:53:37 AM PDT by Polarik (Forgeries are forever)
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To: Polarik

Yet Hawai’i did manage to schedule a luau to celebrate islam Day, on 9/11...

What’s up with that?


88 posted on 05/13/2009 11:04:05 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 114 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: BIGLOOK; Beckwith; null and void; stockpirate; pissant; PhilDragoo; Candor7; MeekOneGOP; Myrddin; ..
There wasn't a conspiracy in Honolulu in 1961 to produce a CoLB for young Barry so he could be president...The Birth Certificate issue has nothing to do with conspiracy.

As presented, I agree with you. However, there absolutely was a conspiracy to lie, distort, and deceive the public about the validity the COLB posted online (a year ago June 12), AS WELL AS to crush all criticisms and honest discussions about it through public humiliation, slander, and bogus "analyses," perpetuated by media outlets, self-proclaimed "fact checking" sites, Obama supporters and apologists, disinenguous graphics "experts," and everybody else who wanted to take shots at me because I had the audacity to provide evidence to the contrary, and to withstand all that they could hurl my way.

The BIGGEST lie of all is that the liberal Left has no equal when it comes to conspiracy theories. The shear number and diversity of bizzare conspiracy theories spouted by the Left about 9/11 is unprecedented in history. They began the Truth Movement. They called the account of Al Qaeda, Bin Laden, and the 19 hijackers the Bush Administration's conspiracy. and every possible alternative was accepted as gospel.

The irony about all of the crap that they gave Phil Berg for bringing the first lawsuit against Obama, calling him a "Truther," is that nowhere in the entire history of the Truth Movement and its many copycats is Berg, a Democrat, ever mentioned!

I have to say, in all candor, that if forging a COLB was the worst thing that Obama has ever done, and ever will do, our country would be far better off than everything else he has done in less than four months in office.

The fradulent COLB has become iconic of a fradulent man, a fraudulent family, a fraudulent biography, a fraudulent Administration, a fraudulent election, and millions of fraudulent supporters.

The fraudulent COLB was neither the beginning nor the end of ZERO's web of deception. It should be, however, a reminder to everyone that the cover-up of an illegal act can be more egregious than the act itself.

89 posted on 05/13/2009 11:36:26 AM PDT by Polarik (Forgeries are forever)
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To: Devils Avocado; John Valentine; BIGLOOK

First off go to factcheck.org and click on the link that contains info about the employees of factcheck and you will discover that the two employees granted access to the C.O.L.B. are NOT document experts one has a Phd in Philosphy while the other has an M.A. in English Lit.(Her B.A. was in the history of Science) Then go to google and type in who lived in the birth announcement home listed as the home of Mr and Mrs B H Obama in August 1961.(That article also appeared in “World Net Daily” but I had investigated the info as far back as late October/08 when I discovered who the owners of the property were in 1961) The owners of the home were Orland and Thelma Lefforge. Stanley Armour and Madelyn Dunham lived at a home on Kamehameha Ave. from the time they moved to HI in 1960 until they moved to a home on University Ave sometime in 1963 after Ann returned to the island and this is even documented by Jr himself in his book on page 39 when he talks of the walks he took with his father during the month long visits when they took walks past the private landmarks of a family. Finally you may also google for the story published in “World Net Daily” of the interview a detective had with the neighbor of the birth announcement home who gave testimony that there was never a young white woman and black baby living at that home.
When Obama Sr moved to HI in June of 1959 it has been well documented that he originally lived in a room at the Atherton Y.M.C.A. but later moved to a small, single story wooden home located at 625 11thAve located in the St louis Heights area.
Freeper John Valentine has also verified these facts, not to mention aside from the birth announcement home all of the other addresses were located within a 1/2 mile of the University of Hawaii at Manoa.
You might also be aware of the fact that the area where the birth announcement home is located is the most expensive area in all of Ohau because of its location so close to the ocean, much too expensive for a mortgage adminstrator and her furniture salesman sending their daughter to school at out of state fees. The price would definitely be out of reach for a couple of University students when one already had a home he maintained over seven miles away.
Also absolutely NO mention is ever made of that birth announcement home in the “biography” of Jr which was written by David Mendell who was given unprecendented access to Jr and his family and was the only one who was ever allowed access to Madelyn Dunham, albeit a tightly controlled 30 minute interview which was abruptly cut short.


90 posted on 05/13/2009 11:47:41 AM PDT by Chief Engineer
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To: Chief Engineer; Polarik; potlatch; devolve; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP; Grampa Dave; BOBTHENAILER; ...

Click on the Doper for the Inside Dope

91 posted on 05/13/2009 1:13:13 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: freedomlover

Oh, come on. This doesn’t require a deep conspiracy. All it requires is a loving grandmother worried that her grandson is screwed out of his US citizenship by his irresponsible mother running off to Kenya.

Your problemis that you are predisposed to an untenable conclusion. That birth announcement is suspect for me because it lists a place of resodence that is, frankly speaking, as unlikely as an address on the planet Mars.

There is NO WAY that Obama Sr., Madelyn Dunham, Stanly Ann Dunham, or anyone in the Dunham family lived at the address claimed for Obama Sr. And Stanley Ann. It’s bogus. The Dunhams lived on Kamehameha Street in 1961, just down the street from me, it so happens. I don’t know where 17 year-old Stanley Ann lived, but I know she didn’t live on the “Gold Coast”


92 posted on 05/13/2009 1:24:25 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Polarik
However, there absolutely was a conspiracy to lie, distort, and deceive the public about the validity the COLB posted online (a year ago June 12), AS WELL AS to crush all criticisms and honest discussions about it through public humiliation, slander, and bogus "analyses," perpetuated by media outlets, self-proclaimed "fact checking" sites, Obama supporters and apologists, disinenguous graphics "experts," and everybody else who wanted to take shots at me because I had the audacity to provide evidence to the contrary, and to withstand all that they could hurl my way.

I of course meant a conspiracy that went all the way back to 1961, which is the strawman that folks use when they want to humiliate, slander, etc, etc, anyone who even admits the possibility that The One is not eligible to the Office of President.

93 posted on 05/13/2009 3:07:19 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: BP2

The acount holding the image of the CertifcATE has been suspended. Or at least that is the message I get when I copy it’s URL and try to open it in another window. Here it’s just a Red X.


94 posted on 05/13/2009 3:09:52 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: PhilDragoo; Chief Engineer

Thank you for the ping, Phil!
I couldn’t help but chuckle at the graphic.
There’s not a lot to chuckle about lately, so thank you.

Great stuff, Chief!
Thank you for documenting it on this thread.


95 posted on 05/13/2009 3:59:50 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: dixiechick2000

Quite welcome, I have to document while I still can, my future is extremely uncertain at this point.


96 posted on 05/13/2009 4:01:59 PM PDT by Chief Engineer
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To: Chief Engineer

I know...bless your heart.
I can’t imagine having to live that way.

I hope you find what you need very soon.

God bless...


97 posted on 05/13/2009 4:03:15 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: El Gato

Let's try this one...

They could have been staring at a computer screen with a database RECORD on which the date of the late birth registration was entered and the country of origin for the original birth certificate accepted for exchange.

CertificaTION of Live Birth -- A computer-generated printout of the source birth record document(s).

The Hawaiian "CertificaTION of Live Birth" -- 13 fields of data:

The Hawaiian "CertificATE of Live Birth" -- 24 fields of data
(really 38 depending on how you count them):

The most important data fields for Obama will be Blocks 5-9, 18-22 and most importantly, Block 23.

You just know there's going to be something funky in the "Evidence for Delayed Filing or Alteration" block -- Block 23...


98 posted on 05/13/2009 5:36:00 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2
Why would you doubt a document that has been signed and notarized?

The king would never lie..

99 posted on 05/13/2009 5:48:15 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Chief Engineer
Also did you not read the stories behind the “birth announcements” which appeared in the Sunday, August 13, 1961 “Honolulu Advertiser” and the Wednesday, August 16, 1961 edition of “The Star Bulletin” list an address which was not related to either the Dunham family OR to Obama Sr? You must have missed both of those stories when they appeared, the same way you missed the testimony of the neighbor of the listed birth announcement home who swore that there had never been a young white woman and colored baby ever live at that home at any time. The neighbor had lived there since before 1960.,

Yep, the birth announcement is not credible as it contains factually inaccurate information. The two "parents" were not married at the time, it was not possible, and the address is neither the grandmother's address or the alleged father's address. An announcement could have been generated when a delayed or out of state certificate was filed or phoned in, it's not dispositive of anything other than a factually inaccurate announcement which could have been generated in different ways.

100 posted on 05/21/2009 12:12:32 AM PDT by FTJM
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