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Could THIS be Obama's End Game?
na | 06-20-09 | OrangeHoof

Posted on 06/20/2009 4:17:38 PM PDT by OrangeHoof

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To: OrangeHoof
I can hardly wait for that one day the Teleprompter goes down, and Obama
reveals that he has turrets syndrome.
81 posted on 06/21/2009 1:52:21 AM PDT by MaxMax (America's population is 304-Million. Obama must punish America for the other 4.7 Billion)
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To: LifeComesFirst; All
>P>In a country without gun owners, your scenario is plausible. And no, lurking DHS and Secret Service agents (hi there!) that wasn’t what you think it was, I’m merely saying that such a policy would be untenable with the threat of thousands of Ruby Ridge like scenarios all over the country (only instead of racist nutjobs, it would be average Americans).

Alarm and Muster – The document that started a movement.

Alarm and Muster – The Modern Day Call Tree for Emergency Preparation.


82 posted on 06/21/2009 3:49:09 AM PDT by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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To: OrangeHoof
I think your theory is an expression of fear of what Obama might do. I am not sure Obama has a specific goal, only a general one of changing America into a socialist nation and making it subservient to a world government that he would be a leader of.

The American philosopher Josiah Royce anticipated the rise to power of people like Obama in Royce's 1913 book The Problem of Christianity, the text of which is available online.

Here are quotes from Part 1, Lecture 3:

"The more the social will expresses itself in vast organizations of collective power, the more are individuals trained to be aware of their own personal wants and choices and ideals, and of the vast opportunities that would be theirs if they could but gain control of these social forces. The more, in sum, does their individual self-will become conscious, deliberate, cultivated, and therefore dangerously alert and ingenious."

"It is a sensitive self-will, which feels the importance of the social forces, and which wants them to grow more powerful, so that haply they may be used by the individual himself. And so, when opportunity offers, the individual self-will casts its vote in favor of new devices to enrich or to entensify the expression of the collective will. For it desires social powers. It wants them for its own use."

Josiah Royce nailed the motives of liberal politicians in 1913, when they were establishing the Federal Reserve Bank as a tool that could be used, and is now being used, as a tool for enriching and intensifying "the expression of the collective will", meaning the will of socialists like Obama.

83 posted on 06/21/2009 5:20:28 AM PDT by John McDonnell (Try to hide my candle under a bushel, and it will burn through the bushel.)
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To: OrangeHoof
You seriously misunderstand how corrupt the Democrats are.

No, I'm counting on it. They are personally corrupt, not just corporately. The representatives and senators want to hold on to their power (and the perks thereof) far more than they care about Obama. They know they'd get voted out of office (even if replaced by another dem)if they're associated with a do-nothing President. They'll vote to impeach -- if for no other reason than to save their own miserable hides.

Besides...they also know, deep down, that an attack on US soil, if unanswered, will quickly lead to the third box of democracy.

84 posted on 06/21/2009 5:30:16 AM PDT by Terabitten (Vets wrote a blank check, payable to the Constitution, for an amount up to and including their life.)
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To: John McDonnell; AmericanArchConservative; Zakeet; colorcountry
A free online text of the Book of Mormon, in the Restored Covenant Edition, which is the truest to the original manuscripts (the dictated manuscript and the printer's manuscript)

Mormons never miss a chance to proselytize, however those who fall for this should visit these links:

How Mormonism 'programs' people: http://members.shaw.ca/blair_watson/

To Those Who Are Investigating Mormonism: What the Missionaries Won't Tell You: http://packham.n4m.org/tract.htm

Contradictions in Mormonism: http://packham.n4m.org/contra.htm

101 Doubts about Mormonism: http://packham.n4m.org/101.htm

Joseph Smith's Changing First Vision Accounts: http://www.irr.org/mit/first-vision/fvision-accounts.html

Rethinking Mormonism: http://www.i4m.com/think/

A Seer Stone and a Hat - "Translating" the Book of Mormon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPnu0bx3oWg

DNA vs. The Book of Mormon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svfxSscxh8o

The Lost Book of Abraham: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcyzkd_m6KE

The Untold Story of the Death of Joseph Smith: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvSo0ate4tM&feature=related

PBS FRONTLINE + American Experience: The Mormons (4-hour documentary film, with excerpts of interviews with Hinckley, Packer, Holland and Jensen): http://www.pbs.org/mormons/

‘Faith-disrupting’ teachings and statements of Mormon ‘prophets’ (after Joseph Smith): http://mormonthink.com/prophetsweb.htm#apostleadmits

Remembering the Wives of Joseph Smith [including 11 Mormon women who were already married and 7 teenage girls younger than 18]: http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/

The 'motherlode' of historical info. about Mormonism: http://www.utlm.org/navtopicalindex.htm

Book of Mormon Tories [plagarisms in the BoM involving two American history books, one published in 1789 and the other in 1805, that were available to Joseph Smith]: http://www.postmormon.org/exp_e/index.php/magazine/pmm_article_full_text/211

Skeptics Annotated Book of Mormon

Joseph Smith as a Sexual Predator

Why Mormons Leave


85 posted on 06/21/2009 6:26:19 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Is there a law that circumvents the use of the launch codes in the event of a CIC (coward in chief)
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To: greyfoxx39
Great links!!! And this one The Bible vs the Book of Mormon.
86 posted on 06/21/2009 6:30:01 AM PDT by colorcountry (A faith without truth is not true faith.)
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To: John McDonnell
I think they should read the “Pearl of Great Price” cover to cover BEFORE they read the hook called the Book of Mormon.

Here's a sample from LDS.org. The Book of Abraham, Chapter 4.

Let's go for meat before milk this time or otherwise entitled, "What the missionaries won't tell you".

Beware, people - 2 Corinthians 11:4.

For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

87 posted on 06/21/2009 6:37:57 AM PDT by colorcountry (A faith without truth is not true faith.)
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To: mojitojoe
I disagree but he is none the less: Mentally deficient and a narcissistic megonogistic megalomaniac psychopath with paranoid delusions.
88 posted on 06/21/2009 6:47:12 AM PDT by svcw (Barry: mentally deficient & narcissistic megonogistic megalomaniac psychopath w/ paranoid delusions)
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To: OrangeHoof

It will go down like this. There will probably be a nuclear strike ( maybe in the Pacific) because the Asians know BO will fold like the boneless fairy princess that he is and he will try to give in to all demands by other countries. Our military will then march into the White house and simply say “We are now in charge because you and your cabinet are a threat to national security.” BO, Nancy and the rest will be lead away to padded lined rooms. A year of martial law confusion then special meetings will be held reestablish a workable government minus the Marxist flare.


89 posted on 06/21/2009 6:54:57 AM PDT by jetson
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To: cripplecreek

There’s no need for an attack when Cloward Piven is working perfectly.

BING BING BING...good answer. Most people unfamiliar with this strategy but why fire a missile when the safe route of undermining the economy over a long period of time is coming to fruition.

Keep an open mind....: it explains in detail what is/has already happened....(this is hard to refute ....most of this has already happened)

...http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html


90 posted on 06/21/2009 7:02:28 AM PDT by oust the louse (This Country now has a smelly BO problem.....)
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To: left that other site

I think you’re probably correct. 0bama certainly wouldn’t be above using an attack, even of that magnitude, for personal and political gain. His popularity would probably skyrocket, especially among his “core constituents”.


91 posted on 06/21/2009 7:31:28 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Iran's Cry for Freedom - Obama can't be bothered. Above his Pay Grade?)
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To: Reddy
Only the difference is that Bush DIDN’T make it happen OR DIDN’T let it happen. Can you say the same for BHO??

Yes, I can. His policies may be naive and ruinous, but I don't believe for a second he actually wants America to be attacked. And, if the unthinkable were to happen, it's because of his stupidity, naiviety, and arrogance; not because he purposely orchestrated it.

92 posted on 06/21/2009 8:03:05 AM PDT by foobarred (Disclaimer: I have a right to be stupid and wrong. Please don't legislate that right from me.)
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To: Terabitten

“If Obama failed to respond to an attack on US soil, he’d be impeached faster than you could say “treason or other high crimes and misdemeanors.””

Do you honestly think a DIM controlled congress would impeach their own messiah? For any reason?


93 posted on 06/21/2009 9:39:41 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: John McDonnell; OrangeHoof; AmericanArchConservative; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; All
The majority of participants in FreeRepublic discussions have not read the Book of Mormon from cover to cover. In its Second Book of Nephi is a passage claiming to be a divine pronouncement that there shall be no kings in America, a teaching that many conservatives might wish were true, even if they think that the Book of Mormon is a pack of lies.

Well, I'm glad you've brought that old lemon in for an overhaul. Let's take a look under the hood of 2 Nephi...because if you have read 2 Nephi cover-to-cover, you didn't read it carefully for "mechanical problems":

A Review of 2 Nephi -- with much thanks to Colleen Ralson of Watchman Fellowship...I'll paraphrase what she noted in her 1988 version of Color Me Confused...please contact the Nauvoo Christian Visitors Center at PO Box 93, Nauvoo, IL, 62354 for a full copy:

So, here we are 550 years before Christ...and there's production of industrial steel in this era? Really? (2 Nephi 5:15-16)
And Jesus Christ was baptized 550 years before he was born? Really? (2 Nephi 31:6)
And there were followers of Christ -- 550 years before he was born? Really? (2 Nephi 28:14)
And the word "Bible" -- which is derived from a Greek word and this word was first used in the third century before Christ, was supposedly first used in America 250 years before the Greeks did? Really? (2 Nephi 29:3)
And here Nephi supposedly built "a temple after the manner of Solomon" (2 Nephi 5:16) -- a temple that took over 150,000 workers and 30,000 overseers to construct in Jerusalem. And how many folks did Nephi have? Well, this supposedly took place just a few years post-Jerusalem years for "Nephi" and his family...he couldn't have had more than 2-4 dozen folks.

And what about the racism of 2 Nephi?

#1 The original 2 Nephi 30:6 read "white and delightsome" before the post-1977 Book of Mormon editors decided to put the phrase "pure and delightsome" in its place. Yup. This verse said for 147 years that you receive a blessing from God, and you, too, will turn into a "white and delightsome" people.
#2 2 Nephi 5:21 still reads, in a supposed description of Native Americans: And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint...
[And so how did the Mormon god curse these Native Americans?]:
wherefore, as they WERE white, and exceeding fair and delightsome,
that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.

[Uh, didn't anyone tell Smith that Native Americans were brown -- not black; and that Jews haven't always been characterized as white -- but rather olive-skinned? And more importantly...didn't anybody bother to inform Smith and his followers that skin color was NOT-- and never has been -- a "curse" from God???]

And why does 2 Nephi 26:16 speak positively of "familiar spirits" when Leviticus 20:27 describe these spirits in a negative way?

Besides, a huge chunk of 2 Nephi is outright plagiarism:
2 Nephi 7 --> a copy of Isaiah 50
2 Nephi 8 --> a copy of Isaiah 51 [Ralson notes: "even italicized words that were added later to the King James Version for clarification, are found here"]
2 Nephi 12 --> a copy of Isaiah 2
2 Nephi 13 --> a copy of Isaiah 3
2 Nephi 14 --> a copy of Isaiah 4
2 Nephi 15 --> a copy of Isaiah 5
2 Nephi 16 --> a copy of Isaiah 6
2 Nephi 17 --> a copy of Isaiah 7
2 Nephi 18 --> a copy of Isaiah 8
2 Nephi 19 --> a copy of Isaiah 9
2 Nephi 20 --> a copy of Isaiah 10
2 Nephi 21 --> a copy of Isaiah 11
2 Nephi 22 --> a copy of Isaiah 12
2 Nephi 23 --> a copy of Isaiah 13 [and please note...that the italicized words of Isaiah 13, KJ Version during Joseph Smith's day, were not in the original Hebrew from which the KJV was translated...So if they weren't in the Hebrew, how did Nephi get them? Did he reach into the future of 1611 in the UK, and superimpose them into golden plates between 559 and 545 BC?]
2 Nephi 24 --> a copy of Isaiah 14
2 Nephi 27 --> a copy of Isaiah 29

So, here we have the pure majesty of the KJ Version of the prophet Isaiah's words all throughout 2 Nephi. (That's the "mountaintop" portion of 2 Nephi). The grammatical "gutter" portion of 2 Nephi is when Joseph Smith speaks forth out of supposed "poetic license":
2 Nephi 4:14: "for a more history part are written upon mine other plates" ["more history part"??]
2 Nephi 27:13: Ralson: First is says "none" and then it says "a few." A few is not none. Which does he mean? (Ralson, p. 20)
2 Nephi 30:18: Ralson: Here it states "no more, for a long time." This is a stupid statement. Is it no more or is it a long time?
2 Nephi 31:2: Ralson: The words "save it be a few words..." are really funny when you examine 4 Nephi 1:6, where it takes the author 57 words to say 59 years past.
2 Nephi 31:3: "he speaketh unto men according to their language." Ralson: Why then were they to write in reformed Egyptian? They probably did not understand it and surely the ones who would receive the plates would not understand it, either.

94 posted on 06/21/2009 9:40:02 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian; John McDonnell

I think this thread is “out there” enough without long-winded dissertations about the Book of Mormon. Thank you.


95 posted on 06/21/2009 12:55:42 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (YES WE CAN have a Depression.)
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To: OrangeHoof
Any nuclear jab at the US or its allies (SK) will sure to also involve conventional arty. Inchon has a seismic station you can amuse yourself looking at. You will be able to see the action in near real time. It helps to keep the tin under control :~)
http://aslwww.cr.usgs.gov/Seismic_Data/telemetry_data/INCN_24hr.html
96 posted on 06/21/2009 1:08:43 PM PDT by Polynikes (Viene una tormenta)
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To: OrangeHoof
I should not have been included in your complaint about "long-winded dissertations about the Book of Mormon". My two previous posts on this thread have been on the subject of the thread, one quoting from a passage of the Book of Mormon that has application to fears about what Obama is trying to do, the other quoting from a passage from Josiah Royce's 1913 The Problem of Christianity that has application to what is motivating Obama. I cannot see anything long-winded in either post. I am sorry that the first of my posts stirred in others their inappropriate "long-winded dissertations about the Book of Mormon". I had found your remarks very interesting, and had thought that what I posted here would make a positive contribution to the subject of the thread. I am not now nor have ever been a Mormon, and I dislike any religious group parading their church teachings on FreeRepublic without regard for the primarily conservative political discussions that FreeRepublic is famous for.
97 posted on 06/21/2009 2:40:29 PM PDT by John McDonnell (Try to hide my candle under a bushel, and it will burn through the bushel.)
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To: OrangeHoof

What do you care about long-winded?

(The Bible’s a bit longer...66 books...4,000 years of wind...no one forces you to read it all)


98 posted on 06/21/2009 3:47:24 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: svcw
Or he wants Hawaii bombed to wipe out the whole birth certificate issue - no Hawaii no certificate

Yeah, and he already took care of grannie. But man, had she still been alive when the nuke goes off, he could have garnered even more sympathy. Where is Andy Martin when you need him?
99 posted on 06/22/2009 9:37:57 AM PDT by LeoOshkosh (Crazy Leo is right again)
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