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To: rxsid

Stanley Ann Dunham, Barack Obama’s mother, attended the University of Hawaii during the fall of 1960. She was enrolled at the University of Washington in autumn of 1961.

Between these start dates, Miss Duham became pregnant with Obama on Nov. 1, 1960 while she was 17 years of age. Claims are that she married Obama Sr. on February 2, 1961. If this is correct and Obama Sr. was already married, it would constitute bigamy. Bigamy is outlawed in Hawaii, but legal in Kenya. Thus, chances are that Obama’s mother had moved to Kenya residing there the months preceding Obama’s 1961 birth.

Obama’s own grandmother states that she was present when Obama was born in Kenya. Thus, he would not be a natural born citizen. Obama is reported to have been born August 4, 1961.

Now, how could Obama be born in Kenya or Hawaii and then have his mother enrolled at the University of Washington later that same month? Unlikely movement!

Is there any witnesses to Stanley Ann Dunham’s location and movement in 1961 up through Obama’s birth. Any medical clinic visits in the U.S. during her pregnancy? I have not heard of any which is a good indication that she was in Kenya.

Claims indicate that Obama was adopted and became Barry Soetoro in Indonesia. He would then have lost natural born citizenship if he even ever had it. He attended Occidental College as Barry Soetoro. Occidental College informed Newsweek that Obama enrolled as a foreign student (info at FreeRepublic).

By simply releasing his original long form birth certificate, Obama could prove whether he is a natural born citizen or not. By spending an enormous amount in legal fees to keep his birth certificate hidden, it leads one to think that he is NOT a natural born citizen.


12 posted on 07/21/2009 2:42:11 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: real_patriotic_american
In my opinion WHERE Obama was actually born is completely moot. He has ALREADY declared via his fight the smears website that his father was a British subject. The defnition of 'natural born' requires TWO citizen parents, not just one. Therefore he cannot possibly be natural born.

This definition was defined by Emerich De Vattel in 1758. Book 1, Chapter 19, Section 212: defines 'natural born' as 'those children born in the country, of PARENTS who are citizens.'

This definition has been upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court in:

Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 242, 245 in 1830 - they reinforced Vattel's definition in this case.

Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 167-68 in 1875 - again the same definition as Vattel was reinforced in this case.

Ex parte Reynolds, 1879, 5 Dill., 394, 402 - In this case not only was the same definition as Vattel reinforced yet again, but the source citation for this definition was Vattel!

United States v. Ward, 42 F.320 (C.C.S.D.Cal. 1890) - Vattel was again cited as the source for the proper definiton of 'natural born' as understood by the framers of our constitution.

Nowhere has this traditional definition ever been overturned. Not in the 14th amendment which only defines 'citizenship', not 'natural born status' - not in any SCOTUS decisions (quite the opposite) - and not in any Acts of Congress. I've been shouting this from the rooftops for over a year and very few are even listening.

13 posted on 07/21/2009 2:54:42 PM PDT by conservativegramma ((No taxation without constitutional representation!))
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To: real_patriotic_american
"By simply releasing his original long form birth certificate, Obama could prove whether he is a natural born citizen or not."

My understanding is that even if Barry could produce a legit HI long form B.C. he would still NOT be considered a NBC because of these to facts (unless he lied who his father was):

1) His father was a foreign national, who never had any "attachement" to this country. He only ever had a temporary student visa.
and
2) Barry himself admitted to having been born a foreign subject (British) and therefore the British govt' could also claim jurisdiction over him.

Attorney Apuzzo's filing is filled with references that state NBC = born in country, to two (2) citizen parents.
Barry obviously fails that no matter where he was really born.

On a side, but related note...

Vattel's original work: Le Droit des Gens (The Law of Nations) (1758) was written in French. Notice the title contains the word "natureles" (as in Natural) and that parents is plural in this original

A valid long form HI B.C. will ONLY prove weather or not he is a citizen and not an illegal alien (as there is no know naturalization record for him).

14 posted on 07/21/2009 3:04:39 PM PDT by rxsid
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To: real_patriotic_american
Now, how could Obama be born in Kenya or Hawaii and then have his mother enrolled at the University of Washington later that same month? Unlikely movement!

Perhaps, but classes for the Fall term at U. Washington don't start until late September. She'd have needed to be there a week or two before that, to find a place to live, to register for classes, get her books, etc.

However her friend puts her in the Seattle area in late August, with a really tiny, and "all pink", little Barry, whose nappies she did not know how to change yet.

28 posted on 07/21/2009 9:17:36 PM PDT by El Gato
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