Do they say which hospital?
Posted on 07/29/2009 9:46:00 AM PDT by fiscon1
I never really worried about the so called controversy of th birth of President Obama because I am no fan of conspiracy theories. In order to believe that President Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, you not only have to believe that a conspiracy is being created involving an entire state's bureaucratic apparatus, but you also have to believe that President Obama has been lying, or lied to, since he was a child. After all, he's maintained he was born in Hawaii since he was a kid. Either he was claiming this lie long before he wanted to be president, or his entire family lied to him about his place of birth.
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This paragraph is pretty much a textbook case of and example of a "conspiracy theory". "They ALL know about it and are helping to hide it, or else are too scared to talk about it"
I’ve been following the conversation here, and your points do make sense.
OTOH, what makes Obama’s side of the story suspicious is: (1) he refuses to release his original birth certificate; (2) when one soldier challenged his orders on the grounds that the president was not natural born, his orders were rescinded.
It’s all very odd. The appearance it gives is that there must be something to hide. I don’t want the GOP to go moonbatty. But, people want to know the whole truth. There’s so much smoke that it seems there must be a fire somewhere.
You are still confusing me. Obama does not fall under the "anchor baby" argument, because his mother was a U.S. citizen.
I didn't see anything in your response which indicated whether you are arguing that a child born in the U.S. to a U.S. teenager would NOT BE A NATURAL-BORN citizen if his father was not a citizen.
My assertion is that a child born in the United States to a teen mother who is a U.S. citizen would be a natural-born citizen. Do you disagree with that?
If you disagree with that, are you saying that if a US teen who sleeps with a foreign exchange student and has a baby, that child isn't a citizen?
So far as I know, there are no Supreme Court cases involving citizenship eligibility for President. It only came up once before, and I don't think it ever made it to the court.
Thank you. I know it seems obvious, but the original premise of this thread dealt with whether Obama was born in Hawaii, and some posters SEEMED to be arguing that it didn’t matter if he was born in Hawaii or not.
Yes, a “natural born” citizen is a citizen who was born in the country, or who has had “natural born” granted by law even though they were not born in this country.
I suggest that everybody read the law, so they don’t keep getting confused as to what the issue is. IF you read the law, you would know that it makes no difference what age his mother was if Obama was born in Hawaii, because the section of the law regarding the age of the parents only applies if the birth is on foreign soil.
I believe you are making too much of the "parents who were it's citizens" being plural. I believe common-law definition applies if either of the parents are citizens, and does not require both parents to be citizens.
Congress has tried to legislate citizenship issues for children born outside the country, establishing rules from time to time that said that if both parents were citizens, you were a citizen, but if only one parent was a citizen that parent had to have lived in the U.S. for 10 years, at least 5 of which were past the age of 16.
But those laws were for children born outside the country.
They have also legislated children born in the country when neither parent was a citizen.
But the court ruling covers the case where the child is born on US soil and at least one parent is a citizen.
BTW, I appreciate the information about the voiding of elections. I might argue that the action of the Senate voiding an election was essentially an expulsion, but that would be semantics.
But the courts have ruled that under the constitution each body has the right to decide it’s membership. For Obama, being President, I don’t think they coudl simply “void” the election, I think if it was a congressional act they would have to use impeachment. I’m not sure who would have the authority to void the election, but I would guess it would have to be the courts.
And I’m not sure which election would be voided, I would think the presidential ballof of the electors, since the november election was for electors, not for candidates.
I don't see where you get that argument. If that was a "large concensus", we wouldn't be arguing over whether he was born in Hawaii or not, because it wouldn't matter since there is no dispute that his father was Kenyan.
Why would citizenship in our country be subject to the laws another country establishes for their citizenships? And why do you think such a law would effect the "natural born" part, since "natural born" relates to where a person is born?
If having a foreign parent whose country grants citizenship to their children would effect ANYTHING, it would be "citizenship", not "natural born". But there is nothing in the law which suggest either is the case.
I’m not sure what that’s supposed to prove.
You have Obama saying he was born at hospital A, and then you have a random reporter by the name of Bennett Guira saying he was born in hospital B. Obviously the reporter got her facts wrong, unless you have Obama contradicting himself?
That won't work. You might be travelling back to an alternate reality universe where he was born in Hawaii, not the universe we live in.
I used to think that if they just put out a copy of the original birth certificate on file, it would satisfy people. That is clearly not the case any longer.
You claimed, “The republican govenor of Hawaii has said on the record that Obama was born in her state.” Prove it your n00b troll.
You asserted, “There are also two different newspapers in which Obamas birth was announced all the way back in 1961.” Even if one believes these were the actual entries from 1961, not microfich forgeries, explain why the address for the ‘happy parents’ was erroneous. You obamanoid liars are so inept!
That was the final proof that you are an obamnoid provocateur, a n00b troll wearing your Obama kneepads to worship at his Marxist altar.
She has NEVER denied the information, nor has the reporter or the newspaper retracted the information about Obama being born at Queen's Medical Center.
You Obama schills are going to have to degauss everyone’s hard drive to destroy the information that thousands have archived to uncover this chump!
The law of nations spells it out for you.
Yhat’s the document the fouding fathers used.
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Adjudicated? By whom?
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