My One and Only Post on Birthers

The Provocateur ^ | 07/29/2009 | Mike Volpe

[autumnraine]

http://www.brianwilliamslaw.com/lawyer-attorney-5365F1DF-5EEB-4DC0-BD003808196CBB9E.html

4. December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986
If at the time of your birth both your parents were U.S. citizens and at least one had a prior residence in the United States, you automatically acquired U.S. citizenship with no conditions for retaining it.

If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16. There are no conditions placed on retaining this type of citizenship. If your one U.S. citizen parent is your father and you were born outside of marriage, the same rules apply if your father legally legitimated you before your 21st birthday and you were unmarried at the time. If legitimization occurred after November 14, 1986, your father must have established paternity prior to your 18th birthday, either by acknowledgment or by court order, and must have stated in writing that he would support you financially until your 18th birthday.

http://immigration.findlaw.com/immigration/immigration-citizenship-naturalization/immigration-citizenship-naturalization-did-you-know.html

And of course Jon Stewart makes it sound absurd. That’s what they do, mock people to make the weak go “I’m not going to get involved in that stuff, they’ll be making fun of me!”

[Mashood]

Yes. In the case of Barack Obama, he may be a US citizen, but is he a “natural born citizen”, which can only be confered by a US citizen mother and US citizen father? We know that Barack Obamas father was a Kenyan national. Barack Obama has self-certified in all 50 states (I presume) that he meets all the Constitutional qualifications and is indeed a “natural born citizen”. There are many questions as to the veracity of his statements, and since he has sealed his documents and refuses to release them, the questions remain.

[gigster]

Wrong-o.

Because there are situations where children born in this country are not citizens.
Children of Ambassadors are the most obvious.
I was born with dual-citizenship,as was the Annointed One.
Hence, ineligible.

And, BTW, why won’t you read the law concerning his mother?

[MHGinTN]

And BTW obamanoid, havign a short form is not actually proof that the liar you serve is an actual natural born citizen since when this liar was hualed to Hawaii either in his mother’s belly or later after being born elsewhere could have been issued an official Hawaiian birth certificate without being born in the US. Google the name Syn Yat Sen if you doubt it, obamanoid. Yes, you’re a default obamanoid, an anoyance padding your ego trying to defend a lying fraud by twsiting the discussion into red harrings and strawman alleys. Disgusting

[real_patriotic_american]

“Natural Born Citizen.” Barack Obama could have been born in the White House and NOT be a natural born citizen. Why? Because his father was a Kenyan (a foreign soverneignty).

[CharlesWayneCT]

You’ve already posted showing that you understand that the issue of the mother’s age only matters if Obama was born outside the country.

So I’m not sure what argument you are trying to make here.

We all agree that Obama’s mother was a citizen. And it appears that you understand that as a citizen, if she gave birth to a child within the country, that child is a natural-born citizen.

Which, if true, means that the ONLY question to be answered is whether Obama was born in Hawaii or not.

The Court does support the concept of anchor babies. But frankly, I should not have brought it up, as it is not applicable in this case. Obama does not gain citizenship as an anchor-baby, he gains citizenship because of the assertion that he was born in this country and one of his parents was a citizen.

I have seen no credible dispute over the citizenship of Obama’s mother, so I fail to see what axiom I am “assuming” (frankly, I am not sure what that means, as the point of an axiom is something that is assumed for the argument, I thinkn the complaint is that I am assuming what I am trying to prove).

I take it as axiomatic that Obama was born, and that he was born to a mother who was a citizen but under 21, and a father who was NOT a citizen.

Given those assumptions, he is a natural born citizen if the birth took place on US soil, and he is NOT a natural born citizen if the birth took place outside of the US.

Is there anything I just said that you disagree with?

[MHGinTN]

“... or if someone managed to falsify the records in Hawaii to make it look like he was born there.” That’s an outright lie! A person can have an official BC from Hawaii and nto be born there or even int he US, and you knowit so you are purposely lying to try and squelch the discussion in favor of your false axioms!

[gigster]

“Obama has a passport issued by the United States.”

Really? Have you seen it? How about the one he used going to
“Pahk-e-stan”?
Are you the one who has his college transcipts?
His student loan documents?

Cough ‘em up.

[CharlesWayneCT]

If you would would do the most cursory research on the subject, you would find, to your girlish horror, that parents citizenship does confir the status of their children.

A child born on U.S. soil to a mother who is a U.S. citizen is a natural-born citizen of this country.

The only dispute arises regarding "natural born citizen" if that child is born outside the country.

[MHGinTN]

Because of Hawaiian law, a person can hold a legitimate Hawaiian birth certificate and yet not even be born in the U.S. THAT bears directly on the as yet unenunciated definition of natural born citizen by the SCOTUS.

[devistate one four]

Not when he was born. Check it out. Law of nations or anywhere to do with NATURAL born will say both parents.

Wrong. They might be a citizen, but not natural born citizen.

[Wild Irish Rogue]

” you also have to believe that President Obama has been lying, or lied to, since he was a child.”

Obama actually said pretty much that exact thing in “Dreams From My Father.”
I don’t have “ Dreams “ here at the office, but, there is a passage where Obama writes that his grandfather told so many false stories about the family and it’s history,
that he stopped believing a word he said.
IIRC, he called him a white revisionist or typical white revisionist.

[CharlesWayneCT]

Now I'm completely confused as to what you are arguing about.

Are you arguing that a child born on U.S. soil to a girl who is a U.S. citizen would NOT be a citizen?

Are you arguing that if a U.S. teenager sleeps with some visiting teenager from France, and gets pregnant, and has the child, that the child is NOT a U.S. citizen?

Or did my use of negatives confuse the issue?

My statement of fact is this: A child born on U.S. soil to girl who is a U.S. Citizen is a natural-born citizen of this country.

Do you disagree with this statement? If so, why?

[gigster]

Wrong again.
Refer to post 61

[CharlesWayneCT]

and now you want to ignore the fraud and forgeries and claim we are obliged to believe the thing shown on the Internte is valid

IT doesn't really bother me how many times you "lose faith" in me.

But I did not say what you just summarized me as saying. I said that, given the events of the past week, there doesn't appear to be any doubt that the state of HI has issued an official COLB for Barack Obama.

Note that doesn't mean that the one circulated last year was a valid copy of a COLB; I'll never know whether that is the case or not. But whether or not the COLB from last year was valid or not doesn't seem to be the issue at this point, as there does seem to be an official COLB issued by HI for Obama.

The question is whether that official COLB is based on an official and valid record which truthfully indicates he was born in Hawaii. Not whether someone forged a COLB for Obama.

Note I am focusing on the question of whether Obama is "natural-born", not on whether he lies, or whether he would deceive us or put out a fake document.

[palmer]

Because of Hawaiian law, a person can hold a legitimate Hawaiian birth certificate and yet not even be born in the U.S.

I knew about that. But wouldn't that BC have the place of birth on it? If so, wouldn't the electronic record have Kenya on it also after all the paper was digitized in 1991 or 2001 (I forgot the year)? Then wouldn't it be extremely unlikely that nobody in that office ever saw it that way? Is it possible that it was switched to Honolulu in the computer? Or just left blank in the database record?

[CharlesWayneCT]

The section you are quoting involves births outside the U.S., not births within the U.S.

[patriot08]

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Canadian Free Press writer, JB Williams

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999

(snip)
Every member of the Supreme Court, every member of congress, every member of the Joint Chiefs, most members of the DOD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and state run media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein Obama does NOT meet Article II – Section I constitutional requirements for the office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.

(snip)
But not ONE member of America’s most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand.

(snip)
Half of the people you expect to stop this insanity are quiet co-conspirators in the silent coup. The other half is paralyzed by fear, motivated only by political self-preservation.

(Snip)
Americans keep asking what they can do because they see that none of their leaders are doing anything to stop the demise of their beloved country. It’s the right question, because those leaders are NOT going to stop this thing.

(Snip)
WHO WILL SAVE FREEDOM?
A brave few… This is how it was in the beginning, how it has always been and how it will be.

(Snip)
DR. ORLY TAITZ, Phil Berg and Gary Kreep, ALL OF WHOMHAVE MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, THE THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP.

(Snip)
A PRECIOUS FEW, BUT THEY EXIST… and the walls are indeed closing in on Obama and his evil cabal. IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FAIL TO GET BEHIND THESE BRAVE FEW WHO ARE SEEKING PEACEFUL REDRESS, ALL THE PEACEFUL OPTIONS WILL EVAPORATE AS IF THEY NEVER EXISTED. WE WILL RETURN TO A PRE-1776 AMERICA OVERNIGHT..

Do YOU fear Obama?
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999

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A precious few, indeed. Lets get behind those few brave patriots who are out there in the trenches every day working to prove Obama’s inelgibility:

Dr. Orly Taitz PayPal:

Dr. Orly’s official website: (new(
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/

Or Dr. Orly’s blog:
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/

This little Russian refugee lady is out there in the trenches every day fighting to bring Obama down- hitting him on multiple levels.
She flies all over the country giving speeches,interviews, serving papers and talking with various officials.
This is expensive, and it is reported that she is over $8,000 in debt from using her own personal funds.
Please do what you can to help her.

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[Eagle Eye]

Does Obama has the obligation to prove his qualifications?

Has he legally done so?

[MHGinTN]

"And it appears that you understand that as a citizen, if she gave birth to a child within the country, that child is a natural-born citizen." You are a practiced deceiver. I understand the issue of natural born citizenship and understand that you want it to include anyone including anchor babies born in the U.S. I also am absolutely certain that a person can be born in Canada and obtain a valid Hawaiian birth certificate which presents only that the person is an American citizen via Hawaiian validation. I also understand that you just tried once again to assume as axiomatic that which you wish to prove to be an axiom -- that is purposed deceit in the form of circular reasoning which you thought you would get away with.

You have yet to cite a single SCOTUS case which defines natural born citizen as it applies to prwsident eligibility as required by the meaning of the term in the Constitution. Your haughty condescension is telling.

Now I suppose you're going to try and take as axiomatic that the Wong Kim Ark case is the proof of your faulty reasoning, ignoring Perkins v Elg and other cases where the terminology is buffeted about. You're a deceiver. The fraud and deception and outright lying of Barack Obama as a tyypical democrat is the issue. You will try to squelch the realities and steer this thread into the areas of fog you have devised, but I for one will now ignore your posts hereafter because you are an outed deceiver.