Posted on 08/04/2009 12:39:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
"*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrarâs signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes. "
And if you believe anythi gof what you wrote then I have a seaside mansion on sale for you.
Without disrespect but horrified by your naivete, your thinking and simplicity is why we have Obamabo as President. The voters believed the lies he threw at them and continues to do so.
And there are trolls on FR, too, who lurk and try to disinform and scare to protect Obama.
A bit like you they refused to check out facts posted over and over on FreeRepublic and other sites like AntiMullah.
a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal The seal on Obama's COLB is raised. Check.
registrarâs signature, On the back. Check.
and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Obama's was filed on August 8, 1961. His birth birth on August 4, 1961. There's less than a one year difference between those two dates. Check.
Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.
Yes, some short versions are not acceptable, but Obama's clearly meets the requirements.
You would be right ONLY if the document presented was NOT a valid one and so would not serve Obama at all.
Are you aware that sites all over the Internet have scrubbed (removed) copies of the document you mention because they worry about subpoenas to produce what they have in court and be open to forgery and other charges?
It is NOT a birth CERTIFICATE but a Certification of Live Birth. FAmous Chinese born Sun Yat Sen has one of those. And he WAS NOT born in Hawaii
See for yourself.
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/07/obama-guilty-on-at-least-one-count-of.html
Yes we have, and it's because you're the one who's obstinate.
Here's how our typical conversation goes:
You: To be a natural born citizen, you need two citizen parents.
Me: No you don't. US v. Kim Wong Ark clearly says you don't.
Then crickets.
Then the next day you repeat the line, "To be a natural born citizen, you need two citizen parents," as if no conversation had previously taken place.
Sometimes it goes a little differently. Instead of ignoring Kim Wong Ark, you say, without any basis, that it is not relevant to the current situation when it clearly is.
United States vs. Kim Wong Ark has absolutely NOTHING to do with this situation,
I see. So today you are choosing plan B. Okay, here we go.
The Kim Wong Ark case is directly relevant because it was a citizenship case. SCOTUS court ruled that Mr. Ark was a natural born citizen even though his parents were not. Please explain to me why that is different from the current situation.
as has been proved over and over again here on FR.
You can't prove something by simply repeating it over and over again.
A difference without distinction. The state department still accepts a certification as proof of US birth.
FAmous Chinese born Sun Yat Sen has one of those.
No he did not. He had fraudulantly obtained a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, an entirely different document.
Not true. Presenting a valid COLB would not stop the lawsuits. Most of them aren't even related to birth certificate issues.
""*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrarâs signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes. ""
Where in the statement above does it exclude short form versions from the preceding definition?
The factcheck photos are still up:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
So is the scan on fightthesmears:
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate?fc_c=1378032x2896433x111239450
I don't see any evidence that it was scrubbed.
It doesn't. What's your point?
pot calling the kettle black. You are defintiely mixing oranges and apples with your reference.
These days there are anchor babies, no legal parents required. Back then different laws and ICE regulations applied. Check those out and then continue yor deflection of reality.
AND the matter of citizenship is a minor aspect showing only the probable degree or ineligibility. YOu have to be a NATURAL born kind and there is no way Obambi, with a Kenyan/British father, qualifies even if he were born on US soil.
Nothing about the COLB you defend qualifies as it is a poor forgery and has even been taken off the Obama site.
It used to be posted everywhere. See if you can find a copy anywhere on the INternet.
Think about it real hard.
Acceptance by the State Dept for a passport does not qualify the person to be President, does it? The same rules are not the controlling factors.
Sun Yat Sen’s was fraudulent but not Obambi’s? Really biased and selectively skewed eyesight. I won’t say mind set as this implies a sound mind behind the reasoning.
Bye
Okay, then please explain the difference. Mr. Kim: born in the USA, but allegedly not a natural born citizen because parents Chinese subjects. Court rules otherwise.
Mr. Obama: born in USA, but allegedly not a natural born citizen because Father British subject.
How's this different exactly?
These days there are anchor babies, no legal parents required. Back then different laws and ICE regulations applied. Check those out and then continue yor deflection of reality.
LOL. You are asking me to check what ICE regulations were in place at a time when ICE did not exist. And you're accusing me of being detached from reality?
YOu have to be a NATURAL born kind and there is no way Obambi, with a Kenyan/British father, qualifies even if he were born on US soil.
SCOTUS precedent says otherwise.
Nothing about the COLB you defend qualifies as it is a poor forgery and has even been taken off the Obama site.
It's still there in multiple places. See links above.
It proves natural born citizenship to any court or government agency, which is all that's at issue here.
Sun Yat Sens was fraudulent but not Obambis?
Sun Yat Sen's Certificate of Hawaiian birth was filed in 1911, 50 years before Obama's, before Hawaii was even a state. Furthermore, Sun Yat Sen's was filed more than a year after his birth, whereas Obama's was filed within 4 dyas.
It's not even the same type of document. A Certificate of Hawaiian Birth is not the same thing as a Certification of Live Birth. Look it up.
As you say, apples and oranges.
I did. I still don't see your point. Perhaps I'm stupid. I would really appreciate it if someone of your obviously superior intelligence would explain it to me.
If I refer to some British history in the days of Chaucer do you insist I use Chaucerian English? ICE did not but it is the current version of the Immigration organization and you are nitpicking and wasting our time.
Two known fervent pro-Obama sites out of dozens taht used to have it does not the matter prove. I believe they have removed it. When did you last check?
There is a Persian saying that describes what you are doing , it says putting both your feet into one shoe and (by inference refusing to budge because you cannot walk bu trefuse to admit it)
It means that the State of Hawaii has an original birth document of some sort for Obama in its archives. The information on the online COLB was taken from that source document.
The question remains: What is the nature of that original document? Is it a long-form birth certificate? It would be, if Obama was born in a hospital in Hawaii because the attending physician would have been required by law to file one.
If there is one, why hasn't it been released?
On the other hand, there are other types of “original” birth certificates that the State of Hawaii issued in 1961. And some of those would not necessarily have required that Obama have been born in Hawaii. They are merely attestation of his birth by a parent or near relative, his grandparents for example.
Now, if the “original” were of this type, one can see the reason for not releasing it.
And as a matter of fact, the State of Hawaii has refused to comment on exactly what kind of “original” document they have consulted to issue the COLB, which is only an electronic form verifying that the state has some form of original birth document in its possession.
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