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Raw Home Video of Hudson River Helicopter / Plane Mid-Air Collision Surfaces - Raw Video
Freedom's Lighthouse ^ | August 13, 2009 | BrianinMO

Posted on 08/13/2009 5:34:12 PM PDT by Federalist Patriot

Here is raw video of the mid-air collision of a helicopter and a plane over the Hudson River last Saturday, August 8. It was taken by a tourist, and the home video has been aired by WNBC-TV in New York. Nine people perished in the collision. . . . . (Watch Video)

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: collision; hudsonriver; nbcnews; planecrash; video
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1 posted on 08/13/2009 5:34:13 PM PDT by Federalist Patriot
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To: Federalist Patriot

The video isn’t coming up. All I see is a small box with a red X in it.


2 posted on 08/13/2009 5:39:14 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: AlaskaErik
ATTENTION Internet Explorer Users: For some reason the video does not appear here in IE. It works fine in Firefox. You can go directly to the NBC New York site and view it there.
3 posted on 08/13/2009 5:39:57 PM PDT by Federalist Patriot
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To: Federalist Patriot

OK, FR pilots, who is at fault?


4 posted on 08/13/2009 5:40:40 PM PDT by TChad
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To: Federalist Patriot

Watching the collision a number of times, it’s hard to see how either one failed to see the proximity of the other. The plane just “appears” in the video (which is following the helicopter’s path), but the perspective implies it should have been in the helicopter’s perspective long before. and vice versa.


5 posted on 08/13/2009 5:41:22 PM PDT by bcsco (Obama Administration: The Whizzers of Oz)
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To: Federalist Patriot

Video now plays fine in IE at Freedom’s Lighthouse link.


6 posted on 08/13/2009 5:44:35 PM PDT by Federalist Patriot
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To: AlaskaErik
Fox News is reporting that an ATC controller has been suspended for using his cell phone and a supervisor suspended for leaving the control room during the accident. I find that interesting since I thought that section of the Hudson was a low altitude VFR corridor of some kind.

Anybody around here ever fly that area?

Personally, I am surprised the Helo operator would be using aircraft without a traffic avoidance system. They aren't fool proof, but they are really handy in dense traffic areas.

7 posted on 08/13/2009 5:44:52 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Federalist Patriot

Bkmk


8 posted on 08/13/2009 5:47:29 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: TChad
Rotor had better vision ... standard evasion with the plane ... up and to the right.

Unfortunately, it was too late, and it exposed the undercarriage of the plane to the rotors ... the helicopter's path was headed at a diagonal into the plane ... the plane seems to be on a slight climb.

I'd say the helicopter.

9 posted on 08/13/2009 5:50:45 PM PDT by knarf
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To: TChad
Rotor had better vision ... standard evasion with the plane ... up and to the right.

Unfortunately, it was too late, and it exposed the undercarriage of the plane to the rotors ... the helicopter's path was headed at a diagonal into the plane ... the plane seems to be on a slight climb.

I'd say the helicopter.

10 posted on 08/13/2009 5:51:11 PM PDT by knarf
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To: TChad
The first rule of "Visual flight Rules"...

Look out the damn window...

Both pilots, and I dare say their passengers, are at fault for not seeing the collision coming...Say something....Loudly

11 posted on 08/13/2009 5:51:33 PM PDT by pandemoniumreigns
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To: knarf
I'd say the helicopter.

Does that mean that the helicopter should have avoided the position "up and to the right" from the plane?

12 posted on 08/13/2009 5:55:27 PM PDT by TChad
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To: TChad

Good question ... I don’t know the evasive rule for rotor craft ... and too ... the ‘up and to the right’ move is for head ons.


13 posted on 08/13/2009 6:01:07 PM PDT by knarf
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To: TChad
From what I've heard the helicopter was climbing out from the heliport up to the plane's altitude. From the perspective I think it would have been tough for the plane to pick up the helicopter due to the nose of the aircraft and the height of most general aviation instrument patterns.

The flip side is that an AS350 is probably climbing out at somewhere between 60 kts and 90 kts with the plane at it's 4 o'clock high.

My understanding is that there is a common traffic frequency that people are supposed to use. That allows pilots to report regular reporting points and for the helicopters to report when lifting. I cannot believe that the helicopter pilot wouldn't be up that freq. If he didn't hear any response while he was lifting then he probably thought the airspace was clear.

14 posted on 08/13/2009 6:07:14 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Federalist Patriot

YouTube link...

Home Video Captures Hudson River Midair Collision Of Helicopter/Plane
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPKy35EFj4I


15 posted on 08/13/2009 6:22:05 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: knarf

Most pilots spend their time looking ahead and to their right and left for traffic. It’s very difficult, even in a helicopter, to see an aircraft approaching from the angel those two struck. It’s much like the blind spot in your car on the Interstate.

There is very little right or wrong in VFR operations when it comes to seeing other aircraft. The rule is seen and be seen and that’s about it. There are some altitude rules but they apply mostly to aircraft flying in opposite directions, not two aircraft with one overtaking the other from a blind spot. The helicopter pilot would have to have taken his attention off traffic that might directly in his path and looked back an down to see the approaching fixed wing.

This is a toughie! When you have more than one aircraft in the same general area you have a potential midair collision. Some of them are simply unavoidable based on the type of aircraft and the angle they are closing. It’s even different for various types of fixed wing machines. A high wing monoplane, like the Cessna 172 has a very different field of vision from a low wing monoplane such as the Piper Archer. A biplane has a totally different field from either a high wing or low wing.

The rules for operating on the ground around a helicopter are an indication of how difficult it is for the pilot to see anything behind him, even if only at his 100 degree position. The rules for approaching a fixed wing on the ground and a helicopter on the ground are practically the opposite. You never approach a helicopter from behind, but always want to approach a fixed wing from behind.

The sad fact is that these types of accidents will always be a problem until someone comes up with an avoidance system that doesn’t require equipment in both aircraft.

This is a broad generalization and I would hasten to add the disclaimer that no advice or practice is foolproof in every situation.


16 posted on 08/13/2009 6:32:03 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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To: USNBandit

I saw one report where another helicopter pilot advised the accident aircraft that there was someone approaching from behind. The pilot said he got no response from the other aircraft.


17 posted on 08/13/2009 6:34:53 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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To: jwparkerjr
I fly in an area that has several fairly high traffic fields all on a common traffic frequency. On top of that there are a bunch of low traffic grass strips all over the place. The locals keep the tourists in line when they don't make the common reporting points. It is usually a pretty gentlemanly affair, but you don't want to tick off the old codgers. It is an area where I am very happy to have TCAS on the aircraft I fly.

Two weeks ago I saw three airplanes in 3/4 mile echelon on each other all racing to one airport. It gets even worse when you have a ceiling and everybody gets compressed down to two VFR altitudes.

18 posted on 08/13/2009 7:05:35 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: jwparkerjr

Well said, jw.


19 posted on 08/13/2009 7:08:16 PM PDT by knarf
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To: USNBandit

re: very happy to have TCAS

I’ve not flown with the comfort of that! Does it require that both aircraft have the system for it to work?

I remember years ago a device that could sense the presence of a strobe from a mile or so away. It looked for the frequency of the light from a strobe. It’s apparently different enough from other lights to make it pretty selective. I saw them being marketed for ultralights. Talk about a bunch of aircraft all doing their own thing!

One company had a strobe that was designed to be more visible to the systems that looked for strobes.

I have not seen anything on this in years or even heard about it. Could be that it was one of those inventions that looked better on paper than in reality!


20 posted on 08/13/2009 7:20:52 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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