Posted on 09/24/2009 8:29:28 AM PDT by Daniel T. Zanoza
It's time for the Illinois GOP to request that Mark Kirk bow out of the U.S. Senate race. U.S. Rep. Mark Kirk's bid to obtain the Republican nomination for the U.S. Senate seat to be vacated by Roland Burris in 2010 has, to put it mildly, got off to a rocky start. The 10th District Republican has come under fire, not only from social conservatives, but from fiscal conservatives as well. Kirk's votes on abortion, gun rights and radical environmentalism is contrary to the state and national Republican Party Platforms. Kirk was never going to receive support from pro-family Republicans, who perceive him as an enemy of the pro-family movement. But the negativity directed at Kirk from fiscal conservatives is most telling.
Some believe Kirk's name recognition and the backing of GOP "moderates" would put him over the top in his effort to win the Republican primary. But Kirk, to put it mildly, lost this voting bloc as well with his now well-known misguided "YES" vote on Cap and Trade.
For some reason, the Illinois GOP and a number of influential Republicans voiced early support for Kirk. Perhaps the Party was unaware of the visceral response that ...
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why is he calling himself republican? he sounds worse than a rino
Laaame. This is the only number that the Illinois GOP (itself a trainwreck) should care about:
In thinking about the 2010 Election for the United States Senate, suppose you had a choice between Republican Mark Kirk and Democrat Alexi Giannoulias. If the election were held today would you vote for Republican Mark Kirk or Democrat Alexi Giannoulias?
41% Kirk
38% Giannoulias
4% Some other candidate
17% Not sure
That’s a nice thought, but I would settle for Mark Kirk asking the IL GOP establishment to leave Illinois.
Soooo...Conservatives should vote for this person because he’s the only one who can win?
OK I have a question... why did Fitzgerald from IL quit the US Senate?
Navy Vet, I know Kirk and was disappointed in his cap n’ trade vote, too, but he’s our best hope in Illinois. And he will win the primary. This is mainly posturing from the establishment. The GOP establisment in Illinois is a mess, thoroughly infiltrated by democrats and was one the MAIN reasons that Fitzgerald from Illinois quit the senate. Peter Fitzgerald made no friends in the Illinois GOP by opposing bipartisan pork projects such as O’Hare expansion and the shenanigans of now jailed former GOP governor George Ryan. He quit because he knew the establishment wouldn’t support him and he’d have to pay for his second campaign himself just like he did his first senate campaign.
Navy Vet, I know Kirk and was disappointed in his cap n’ trade vote, too, but he’s our best hope in Illinois. And he will win the primary. This is mainly posturing from the establishment. The GOP establisment in Illinois is a mess, thoroughly infiltrated by democrats and was one the MAIN reasons that Fitzgerald from Illinois quit the senate. Peter Fitzgerald made no friends in the Illinois GOP by opposing bipartisan pork projects such as O’Hare expansion and the shenanigans of now jailed former GOP governor George Ryan. He quit because he knew the establishment wouldn’t support him and he’d have to pay for his second campaign himself just like he did his first senate campaign.
So the IL GOP is in the same shape as the IA GOP.
He should get out now. Better an honest in your face liberal than a backstabbing RINO. He'd be the Olympia Snowe of Illinois.
If you knew what a crook and a thief Giannoulias is (he and his family’s bank once used a predatory loan to take and keep an 81-year-old woman’s home), you wouldn’t say that. He’s also a handpicked, nepotism endorsee of BHO.
“Kirk is the worst sort of RINO; anti-2nd Amendment, anti-Life, pro Cap and Tax, etc etc.”
And an AMNESTY loving FOOL on top of all that!
He is political pondscum! I wouldn’t vote for him even if they promised me a redistribution of Kennedy’s wealth from his estate!
Good to know you believe a Navy reservist who’s fought for his country in Iraq is “pondscum.” Noted.
Make sure he knows I think it, too. And I'm a former Marine who fought for this Nation.
Apparently that Squid Reservist forgot that part in his Oath where he swore to "support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic."
Oathbreakers are by simple definition 'pondscum.'
Will do. The question for the people deadset against Kirk is “who else would they like to run?” Why should we just give up a golden opportunity to take a seat away from the democrats and allow a crook like Giannoulias to line his pockets with our tax dollars? What does that accomplish? If you’re suggesting a borderline insane choice like Andy Martin please stop now. I don’t like it, either, but Kirk’s our best hope. Until somebody brings up a realistic possibility of victory that’s better I’m sticking with him. Until then, good luck helping Alexi.
FWIW John Murtha was in the Marine Corps Reserve.
Serving in the military is a plus on the resume, but it doesn't absolve you of all the sins in your life.
SKCM(SS), US Navy Retired
It confuses me as well, C.L.
I hear this more and more, that we should vote for any Republican candidate, no matter how far to the left the candidate's record may be, so that we can regain majority control of congress and then control the legislation that makes it to the floor.
Looking at Specter, Graham, McCain, Snowe, Collins, et al, I would think *someone* in a leadership position would eventually stand up and shout, "STOP!"
If it were not for RINO's, the recent trillions-O'-dollars boondoggle would not have passed! Why elect a RINO when they have proven time and again they are unreliable when it really counts? Nominating and/or successfully electing RINO's has only served to pass the most egregious UN-conservative legislation in our nations history and to turn-off the conservative base -- which I think played no small part in electing a socialist POTUS while simultaneously granting him a majority in both houses.
The GOP needs to try something that they seem to only do after they have exhausted all other options: Run races by *BOLDLY* and *PROUDLY* wearing your conservative values on your sleeve! What a novel concept, eh? It has to be better than the squishy "compassionate conservatism" (that is actually, neither) that they seem to have been trying since Bush Sr.
In short, "with friends like the GOP, who needs enemies?"
I expect opinions will vary...
Thanks.
The question for the people deadset against Kirk is “who else would they like to run?”
Oberweiss or Roskam.
Why should we just give up a golden opportunity to take a seat away from the democrats and allow a crook like Giannoulias to line his pockets with our tax dollars? What does that accomplish?
It punishes RINO's and the crooked ILRCC.
but Kirk’s our best hope.
Yea, a guy who votes with the Dems 75% of the time. That's just what we need.
Until then, good luck helping Alexi.
And congratulations on helping Pelosi.
What’s the difference? Abraham Lincoln couldn’t get elected in Illinois today.
I’m not saying we should vote for ANY RINO, I’m saying Giannoulias is that much of a thief, and as a resident of Illinois him in power and representing the state scares me because of how he would manipulate the existing levers of graft and corruption to insure more democrat majorities and tax money for himself. It’s not helping Pelosi to keep a person like him out of office. Like I said, if you have an option of a candidate WHO CAN WIN (Oberweiss is a three-time loser who lacks the discipline to be a serious candidate for statewide office) then let’s hear it.
Oh, and I wanted Roskam, too, but he’s said he won’t run for anything but reelection to his house seat. He’s actually endorsed Kirk.
My dream candidate would be Jim Edgar but he essentially declared his retirement from politics when he decided not to run against Obama.
“Soooo...Conservatives should vote for this person because he’s the only one who can win?...”
When no electable true conservative will step up and run, yes.
What is worth noting here is that this is Obama's never warmed seat in the Senate. I would tolerate 6 years of Sen Kirk just to see the national headlines that the Daley/Kennedy/Emanuel machine couldn't shove their candidate down the throat of all Illinois' voters!
0bama and Alexi are bassetball buddies from the hood. It would be a very painful defeat that would capitalize on the Blago/Burris debacle and also keep Sen Dick Turban on the defensive for 6 years.
There are hugh political ramifications on this one. I'm series!
Get off your high horse. I said POLITICAL pondscum and that’s exactly what he is. If you’re going to quote...quote what I said...not what you want to THINK I said.
“Why should we just give up a golden opportunity to take a seat away from the democrats...”
It’s not taking a seat away from the democrats. Kirk IS a democrat with a fake R by his name.
time to ask Kirk to unseal his divorce papers.
The Marxists have successfully taken over the Democratic Party and they’re on their way to doing the same to the GOP.
Character and morals and ideology count and Kirk is a failure on each of those scores. I live in Illinois. I will consider him SOLELY on the basis of depriving the Demonrats of an automatic seat in the Senate and possibly of the filibuster-proof majority. If anything Giannoulias may well be a more conservative senator on some issues. Totally corrupt (as Kirk) but marginally more conservative. I don't know that yet. I'll consider him too.
If, as an Illinois voter, I keep hearing a steady drumbeat about Kirk's service in Gulf War I (which I believe had 100 or so Americans killed mostly by friendly fire and almost none in the air), I am going to figure that the facts of his service are all that there is and that may well not be a strong enough incentive to vote for a personally degraded, social revolutionary, high tax-addicted, militarily unreliable lavender queen as my next senator. His election would also strengthen the hand of the cesspool of financial and moral corruption that is the Illinois GOP leadership. Ordinarily, I am among the last to vote third party rather than GOP. I also will not vote (regardless of her opponent) for Judy Baahbaah Toopinka (Kirk's leftist social revolutionary stablemate), the shameless lot lizard and attendee at pervert parades in Chicago for any office whatsoever.
Note that too!
What was his husband’s name???
LOL
Bull! I'd rather see a Dem win than Kirk!
On the House GOP football team, Kirk is a natural at wide receiver. They don't let him even try to play tight end.
I suppose that, as a party, we need some to make Mark Sanford, John Ensign and David Vitter look a bit more respectable at least by comparison. At least they know where their body parts go in the natural order of things and, apparently, do not mistake the nether end of the digestive tract for a sexual organ.
Uh oh! If we are in agreement with one another, aren’t both of us in trouble?
On the House GOP football team, Kirk is a natural at wide receiver. They don't let him even try to play tight end.
I suppose that, as a party, we need some to make Mark Sanford, John Ensign and David Vitter look a bit more respectable at least by comparison. At least they know where their body parts go in the natural order of things and, apparently, do not mistake the nether end of the digestive tract for a sexual organ.
2 leftist Democrats in the general election “runoff” is 100% unacceptable.
I served my country in a war!! You dare QUESTION my patriotism?
If those are the choices in November, put me down the firmly in the "some other candidate" camp. Kirk and Giannoulias hold identical leftist positions on most major issues, and both are sleazy political hacks who were bankrolled by Tony Rezko and never lifted a finger to do ANYTHING about the "corruption" (which, you know, they're tell you they're adamantly against) that helped advance their political careers.
Most Illinois conservatives are fully aware what a scumbag Giannoulias is. That doesn't mean the IL GOP is going to convince us slimy little backstabbing socialist Kirk is somehow "better". It's unfortunate the IL GOP still hasn't learned the "RINOs are more electable" line is B.S. after their "seriously, electable moderates" Toopinka and Sauerfraud got slaughted in the last two election cycles. Guess they're slow learners cuz they keep shoving RINOs down our throat and have nothing to show for it.
I could also care less how well Kirk is polling. Kirk could very well "win" in a fluke given the current political climate in Illinois (NOT because he runs as Democrat lite, though the mainstream media will CLAIM that's the reason and rub it in our faces). Then what? George Ryan was a "winner" and we know where that got us, don't we? The last decade has shown electing RINOs accomplishes absolutely nothing except for the "pragmatic" types feeling good that someone who happens to have an "R" next to his name got more votes on election day. If the Kirk apologists here want to prove me wrong, feel free to let me know what we gained with Jeffords, Chafee, Specter, Snowe, and Collins elected on "our side". Maybe having an "R" win makes you feel good psychologically that a person with the same party label is a "winner", but the only thing their careers in the Senate accomplished was advancing liberalism in America.
Here's a question for any Kirk supporter lurking on FR to contemplate:
If Kirk "taking back Obama's senate seat" will be such a great accomplishment for "our side", why is it the SAME Chicago liberal media elites who elected Obama in the FIRST place on Kirk's side now?
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