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The Very Separate World of Conservative Republicans
Democracy Corps ^ | 10-16-09 | James Carville

Posted on 10/17/2009 6:36:07 AM PDT by radioone

First and foremost, these conservative Republican voters believe Obama is deliberately and ruthlessly advancing a ‘secret agenda’ to bankrupt our country and dramatically expand government control over all aspects of our daily lives. They view this effort in sweeping terms, and cast a successful Obama presidency as the destruction of the United States as it was conceived by our founders and developed over the past 200 years.

(Excerpt) Read more at democracycorps.com ...


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KEYWORDS: carville; obama; politics
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#1. I'm NOT a fan of James Carville. I couldn't stand him clear back in the Clinton Days. #2. This is a lengthy read. #3. I'm a Palin fan. I disagree with his final analysis.
1 posted on 10/17/2009 6:36:08 AM PDT by radioone
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To: radioone
First and foremost, these conservative Republican voters believe Obama is deliberately and ruthlessly advancing a ‘secret very public agenda’ to bankrupt our country and dramatically expand government control over all aspects of our daily lives.
2 posted on 10/17/2009 6:40:07 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Soon everyone will win a Nobel Peace Prize for not being George Bush...well, except for George Bush.)
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...a successful Obama presidency as the destruction of the United States as it was conceived by our founders and developed over the past 200 years.

For once you're absolutely correct, Carville.

3 posted on 10/17/2009 6:40:09 AM PDT by Ken522
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To: radioone

This is politics. Each side tries to make the other side sound kooky. Will he succeed in marginalizing the GOP? Good question. We will find out next year, during the mid-term elections.


4 posted on 10/17/2009 6:40:22 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: radioone

It looks like thinking from Carville that people would pay for rather than the frantic clown persona of TV; thanks for posting it, although I’ll have to read the entirity later.


5 posted on 10/17/2009 6:41:06 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: radioone
First and foremost, these conservative Republican voters believe Obama is deliberately and ruthlessly advancing a ‘secret very public agenda’ to bankrupt our country and dramatically expand government control over all aspects of our daily lives.

Yep! That is EXACTLY what I believe is happening right before our eyes!

6 posted on 10/17/2009 6:43:00 AM PDT by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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To: radioone
believe Obama is deliberately and ruthlessly advancing a ‘secret agenda’ to bankrupt our country and dramatically expand government control over all aspects of our daily lives

that pretty much sums it up folks.......

7 posted on 10/17/2009 6:43:38 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: radioone
First and foremost, these conservative Republican voters believe Obama is deliberately and ruthlessly advancing a ‘secret agenda’ to bankrupt our country and dramatically expand government control over all aspects of our daily lives

I give up. What's secret about it?

8 posted on 10/17/2009 6:54:32 AM PDT by stevem
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To: radioone
First and foremost, these conservative Republican voters Americans believe Obama is deliberately and ruthlessly advancing a ‘secret agenda’ to bankrupt our country and dramatically expand government control over all aspects of our daily lives.

Even a dead squealer can find the ACORN when it falls on his head.

It's very public, the whole thing is hid in plain sight.

Anybody ever heard O-dumb-boy even say the words freedom or liberty?

9 posted on 10/17/2009 6:59:26 AM PDT by Tarpon (Oba-Mao is a reader, not a leader ...)
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To: Zhang Fei

It is an opportune moment to marginalize Carville considering that he pretended to go along with those fake quotes about Rush Limbaugh, eventhough he personally and socially knows him and knows none of it is true. Where was Mary Matlin? They used to be friends. Maybe that was back when Matlin wanted a radio show and Rush was of use to her perhaps.


10 posted on 10/17/2009 6:59:57 AM PDT by Anima Mundi (The trouble with trouble is it starts out as Utopia)
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To: Zhang Fei
First and foremost, these conservative Republican voters believe Obama is deliberately and ruthlessly advancing a ‘secret agenda’ to bankrupt our country and dramatically expand government control over all aspects of our daily lives

"This is politics. Each side tries to make the other side sound kooky."

Yeah, but I bet there are a few individuals who read this first line and said, "I never thought about it that way, maybe those kooky conservatives are on to something."

I think Carville was stupid to make his statement so succinctly.

11 posted on 10/17/2009 7:00:36 AM PDT by LoveUSA (When you find yourself hopelessly naked in front of the world, you might as well dance.)
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To: radioone
The final aspect of the collective identity shared by conservative Republicans is the call to action.

Very good and interesting piece. Probably the best article I have ever read by the partisan lying POS fork-tongued snakehead. Underestimate us at your own peril you slithering slimeball (apologies to snakes).

Thanks for posting.

12 posted on 10/17/2009 7:03:31 AM PDT by PGalt
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The “secret agenda” is not THAT secret, James Carville. It is to undo all, everything, that George W. Bush had accomplished in his all too brief eight years at the helm, to obilterate forever the history that was Ronald Reagan, to do, in short, the bidding of George Soros, who long ago had announced his “hatred” of the Bush family, father and son, all the relatives, and their distant cousins and admirers.

George Soros is what he is because of so many ill-gotten gains, a pirate of the financial world. There was a time when this sort of economic leech was called a “robber baron”, back in the early days of the Progressive movement. George Soros BOUGHT the Progressives, and turned their very rhetoric upon its head. The British pound was hammered by his 1992 attack on British Sterling, which was perhaps more ideologically than financially motivated, but it brought him more than US $1 billion in profits. He worked on a RUMOR that the British pound was weak, then dumped enough in dollars into the foreign exchange trading to make this a self-fulfilling prophecy. It might be noted, as an aside, that the nation of France still has an outstanding conviction in relation to his inside trader scheme in 1988. Jack Abramoff and Bernie Madoff went to jail for much lesser assaults on the financial world.

The attack on the US currency was different. First, the run-up in petroleum prices in the summer of 2008, by bidding up the futures delivery price (Soros was perhaps working with a consortium in this effort), followed by the election of Resident (Pres_ent) Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., or Barry Soetoro, or Mr Michelle Robinson, or Sock-Puppet, supposedly the son of an out-of-control teenager and a Kenyan exchange student, by people who were “dissatisfied” with George W. Bush. But, BUSH WAS NOT RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION.

A master stroke was getting Bush to sign on for the “TARP” legislation (which never accomplished its original objective), then spreading promises of “Hope and Change” through his reliable Sock-Puppet, which together were enough to swing the election.

George Soros OWNS the Democrat party here in the US, and nothing they say officially is made public unless it is first vetted with the George Soros international financial empire. Individual Democrats may speak out, but their are either soon silenced, or face a very public humiliation.

James Carville is perhaps one of the most servile toadies in the Soros political machine.


13 posted on 10/17/2009 7:21:07 AM PDT by alloysteel (....the Kennedys can be regarded as dysfunctional. Even in death.)
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Good old fashion-HOG WASH! Although it appears to be presented as the most civil statement to come out of this swine's mouth since W left office. In print you don't
see his curly tail moving.
14 posted on 10/17/2009 7:21:33 AM PDT by Dem Guard
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To: radioone

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15 posted on 10/17/2009 7:22:34 AM PDT by GloriaJane (http://www.last.fm/user/GloriaJane)
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To: radioone

I don’t think it’s a ‘segret agenda’ at all. He’s very open about how he wants America to be a Socialist nation like East Germany was, with children and neighbors turning in those who do not hold Government in the highest esteem, a Nation who will brook no allegiance to anything but itself, including religion, familial ties, or financial obligation.


16 posted on 10/17/2009 7:28:32 AM PDT by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: radioone
Although skewed by his ideology, this was a surprisingly perceptive article by Carville. Those who are politically aware are less likely to be moderates. Their ideologies concentrate in one direction or another. (Libertarians take a little from each menu, but are even more ideological about their beliefs than the general conservative or liberal).

Some try to claim that the political distribution is like a bell curve with a big hump in the middle and fewer and fewer on the far left and far right. I disagree. I think there are three "levels" of political involvement. First are the politicians themselves who are involved in the day to day operation of government. Because of their jobs of dealing with the other side every day and needing to compromise to get their half-a-loaf, they tend to move towards the bell curve shape of becoming more centrist. It is hard to tell the guy whose office is next to you that "you are an enemy of the people and I will do my best to see you run out of town on a rail". I think the leftist in office are far more able to keep to their ideology while in office than are those on the right. Our side seems far more susceptible to Potomac fever for some reason.

The second level is the general, semi-informed public. A lot don't want to rock the boat or think too hard about politics. Half of one side and half of another seems like a good compromise. Their ideological spectrum also tends to spread out in a bell curve with a lot in the middle and a few on the ends.

The last level are the politically aware, true believers. Most of the regular readers and posters on political websites fall into this group. They tend to clump to one side or another. Some may feel a little uncomfortable with their political allies (think of the War on Some Drugs threads here at FR with the drug warriors and libertarians fighting), but they rarely take the middle ground on any individual issue. Should government take over the car industry? Very few on either side with strong beliefs will fall into the middle of "yeah, sort of". More on the "Yes" side or the "No" side. This gives a curve on the political spectrum looking like a two humped camel.

How do we use this to our advantage? First, strongly push our ideas. I truly believe that more Americans support the smaller government idea than bigger government, especially if they aren't allowed to hem and haw about both sides having good ideas. Move the people from the uninformed bell curve to the more informed two humped curve. Second, get a good, well spoken, personable spokesman for our side. Not a wishy-washy compromiser (McCain, Dole), but someone more like Reagan. That spokesman must not come off as a haranguer, as much as many Freepers would love that. That politically less aware center needs to be taught without being shouted at about their political (or moral) sins like a preacher on a college quad.

17 posted on 10/17/2009 7:32:59 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Soon everyone will win a Nobel Peace Prize for not being George Bush...well, except for George Bush.)
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This is a pretty good analysis. Say what you will about James Carville, he does good work. However, it’s almost a banality to point out that conservative Republicans are in a “separate world” in some sense. All political groupings have a hard core surrounded by rings of diminishing intensity and orthodoxy. So this is not particularly new information, though he does do a good job of characterizing the core’s attitudes. What’s interesting is that a lot of centrist types seem to agree with our core these days. Rasmussen’s polls that have Obama’s “strongly disapprove” numbers in the high 30 percent range. We just need to scoop up a few more and the pendulum will swing our way.


18 posted on 10/17/2009 7:43:42 AM PDT by Yardstick
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Did you guys ever hear Limbaugh's fake Larry King segment with Carville attacking Ken Starr? I do lines from that segment every time Carville is on TV, just to laugh so I don't get the creeps from this devilish man.

"Ken Starr is a twisted evil man, Larry... He's not even a man, he's a space alien! He flies around in his spaceship, taking money from them flick-your-Bic cigar people, giving cigarettes to five-year olds! ... That's the plan, Larry! He's trying to destroy Bill Clinton, the most moral man in America! This is 'wo', Larry!"

Funny stuff. And Carville is only a little less nutty than portrayed.

19 posted on 10/17/2009 7:49:31 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Proud to be an American, where I least I know I'm free!)
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To: radioone
First and foremost, these conservative Republican voters believe Obama is deliberately and ruthlessly advancing a ‘secret agenda’ to bankrupt our country and dramatically expand government control over all aspects of our daily lives. It is not "secret". They are very open about it when you listen to them. They don't even deny it. They just laugh at anyone that calls them on it.
20 posted on 10/17/2009 7:52:26 AM PDT by DManA
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