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Obama Birth Issue - STILL Questions: U.S. Federal District Court Justice heard arguments...
Gather News ^ | October 20, 2009

Posted on 10/20/2009 3:00:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~; pissant; Jim Robinson

Maybe Jim enjoys the Orly Taitz freak show and her incompetence?


141 posted on 10/21/2009 9:28:10 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
DOJ attorneys tried to explain to the Judge that no Court in the United States had the jurisdiction to rule on whether Barack Hussein Obama was eligible to serve as President of the United States? In their view he could only be impeached and/or disqualified from the Office of President under the 25th Amendment to the U. S. Constitution.

"WHEN in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them...

"WE hold these Truths to be self-evident...

"That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

-PJ

142 posted on 10/21/2009 9:29:56 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Comprehensive congressional reform legislation only yields incomprehensible bills that nobody reads.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

perhaps. Not quite as entertaining as obama trolls pretending to be conservatives though.


143 posted on 10/21/2009 9:39:47 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: BuckeyeTexan; pissant

I seriously doubt it..seriously! I betcha he wants the truth just like the rest of us. What do you want to bet he wants the prez fully vetted? I’d quit posting on fr for a full day if he says he does not.


144 posted on 10/21/2009 9:49:34 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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To: pissant
No, with plain english and the constitution. No matter how much you enjoy the boy marxist, he ain’t the prez and never was, if he’s not eligible.

Obama has nothing to do with it. It's your lame definition of 'failed to qualify' that is part of the 20th Amendment. You take it as a requirement to check qualifications. The authors of the amendment had a much different view of why it was needed than you do. Link

If Obama is found ineligible then I agree he is removed from office. But at that point it is the 25th Amendment and the provisions contained in it that apply, and not the 20th because Obama is not president-elect.

145 posted on 10/21/2009 9:52:32 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~

Who doesn’t want the president fully vetted? Who doesn’t want the truth? I didn’t suggest that Jim doesn’t. I suggested he may enjoy the Orly Taitz freak show.

Some of us just happen to believe that Orly isn’t really after the truth. If she were, she wouldn’t continue her pathethic antics. She’d accept the help of competent attorneys who have offered it, repeatedly. She wouldn’t make a mockery of our system of justice.


146 posted on 10/21/2009 9:56:48 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
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To: mlo

See # 131!!!As to your posts, AREO FRITTO!


147 posted on 10/21/2009 10:16:04 AM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: MHGinTN

Thank you for your most Excellent and Appreciated Post! :-)


148 posted on 10/21/2009 10:17:32 AM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Here is something to think about: If Bozo really has a legal BC showing he is a natural born citizen, why are these DOJ attorneys arguing that the courts do not have the right to find him ineligible? If he is legal, simply show the BC, easy enough to do if you have one. Anyone who doubts the BC case has no merit needs to use their brains. Bozo is NOT a natural born citizen, otherwise he would have produced evidence of it by now.


149 posted on 10/21/2009 11:09:25 AM PDT by calex59
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Don’t you grow weary of ignoring the fact Bozo hasn’t produced a legal BC yet? That is all one needs to consider, if he is legal then let him prove it.


150 posted on 10/21/2009 11:11:50 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Non-Sequitur

That explanation was talking about the timing aspects of the election and assumption of office. It did not even discuss section 3’s language, other than to say it eventually spawned the Presidential Succession Act.


151 posted on 10/21/2009 11:12:49 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant
Yes, I grow very tired of the group think of Obama trolls and their erstwhile GOP allies that have the imaginations to believe that a lying un-american, chicago communist who is a known serial liar, who had Bill Ayers write his book for him, who can't or won't release his records, who was as recently as 1999 a crack whore, whose associates are either jailbirds or rank marxists, who used ACORN to cheat for him during the campaign, and who has yet to demonstrate to anyone that he is an NBC, is somehow deserving of the benefit of the doubt; and the patriots who have entered to the arena to expose him are the ones to be ridiculed.

BRAVO! That needs repeating over and over.

152 posted on 10/21/2009 12:12:56 PM PDT by conservativegramma (When the gov. fears the people there is liberty; when the people fear the gov. there is tyranny)
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To: pissant
That explanation was talking about the timing aspects of the election and assumption of office. It did not even discuss section 3’s language, other than to say it eventually spawned the Presidential Succession Act.

The purpose of section 3 was to overturn the part of the 12th Amendment that said that in the event that no presidential candidate had a majority then the House would the president. And that if the House had not chosen by March 4th then the vice-president would act as president.

153 posted on 10/21/2009 12:54:51 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Why rely on your explanation. Section 3 is short and succinct:

Section 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.


154 posted on 10/21/2009 12:59:32 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

Ah but a president was chosen by the time fixed for the beginning of the term.


155 posted on 10/21/2009 1:06:35 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Ah, but he is simply an imposter, if not an NBC. You do not seem to understand he cannot be president without this qualification. If you found out tomorrow that he was really only 29 years old, would you claim him to be president?


156 posted on 10/21/2009 1:12:27 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant
Ah, but he is simply an imposter, if not an NBC. You do not seem to understand he cannot be president without this qualification. If you found out tomorrow that he was really only 29 years old, would you claim him to be president?

Then he needs to be removed. But the 20th Amendment says that if by January 20th a president had not been chosen... The President was chosen. He did qualify by receiving more than the required 273 electoral votes. So the 20th doesn't apply.

Neither of us disagrees that should Obama be found not to be qualified then he is removed from office. Where we disagree is which amendment determines what happens next.

157 posted on 10/21/2009 1:23:18 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Well, we do agree on the necessity for removal if ineligible. But you cannot "choose" a president that is not qualified. Period.

He did qualify by receiving more than the required 273 electoral votes. So the 20th doesn't apply.

The Congress, the courts, the electors, no one, has the ability to over ride the plain language of the Constitution. If Obama is not eligible (and certainly no one checked, but set that aside for now) then the congress has no power to "choose" him. None. They may be duped into thinking they made him president, but they cannot if ineligible. The only thing they would have succeeded in doing is placing an impostor in the oval office.

And it does not take an impeachment to remove an impostor. It only takes the revelation that he is one.

158 posted on 10/21/2009 1:36:05 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

I liked yours best. His was okay too.


159 posted on 10/21/2009 4:00:48 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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