The completely legally worthless newspaper announcements are a red herring.
Posted on 12/26/2009 8:02:56 PM PST by USALiberty
The Constitution doesn't say what you want it to say. It doesn't define criteria for MBC at all. Our history certainly doesn't say in any unanimous voice what you want it to say, as evidence by general consensus to the contrary and some clear legal principles by which Obama would be a NBC, And if you can't understand Senate resolutions and the history of that one by now, I can't help you.
Yes, yes, two citizen parents. Bellow it, shriek it, stamp your foot and call names all you want, but it isn't going anywhere. It simply reveals things about yourself.
“I realize it appears this way to those of you who have chosen to embrace with a religious fervor the most convoluted, improbable, absurd and silly conspiracy theories.”
Good point. Wish I had said it.
So then, Since 2009-10-03, you know the facts but you just choose to ignore them, and propagate your lies and half-truths instead. That tells us all we need to know about your pretentiousness here and propensity for prefabrications. How's the weather there in Obamaland???
Well, I’m sorry, but the delusions dancing around in your head don’t actually constitute facts, no matter how much you want to believe them.
Riiiigggghhhhhtttttt, Dr Freud [Since 2009-10-03]
I guess you just have an opposing view. Personally, I wish he would release all his records and get this behind us. If not, then it is a good subject to use to continue to try to weaken his activities and to beat the Democrat party up so that truly "transparent" conservatives can take over congress next year.
Be intellectually honest, why doesn’t he just tell Hawaii to release his records? Why won’t he allow his college transcripts and other information to be released?
The completely legally worthless newspaper announcements are a red herring.
When you can't win on logic and merit, go after someone's sign-on date.
Excellent point, and it bears repeating.
Hmmm -- two things you Obamabots know nothing about.
Treason. We are at war. Al Queada dances in the street with the news of these traitors!!!!!
I should not judge. I’m certain that these “soldiers” are serious about the sacrifice that they are willing to make and they are refusing to cash their pay checks! If they refuse to serve per the civilian certified government, they will certainly refuse to recognize the authenticity of the military and refuse their wages!!!!
I will agree that there is no compelling evidence that Obama was born in Kenya.
I will agree that there is no simple, easy, readily available consensus that as a Dual-born, Obama is not NBC.
I disagree that we can call a case “a non-starter” that seeks a ruling from the courts as to whether a dual-born citizen like Obama can actually be eligible. I think that the courts should be pushed and should be willing to render an answer on whether NBC should be interpreted as reflecting Vattel’s sentiment or not, but I will chalk that disagreement up to a matter of opinion.
I will agree that the executive order for record concealment has probably been misunderstood by some birthers.
I will agree that there’s no law on the books requiring a Candidate or presumed President to hand over a Birth Certificate or other documents to prove he is a citizen.
I will agree that the HI Governor never “sealed up the certificate in a special vault.”
But here’s why I tend to think of you guys as trolls. How do you come up with this?:
It conforms to what Hawaii issues and Hawaii doesn't dispute it, which they are legally allowed and obligated to do if someone offers fraudulent state documents.REALLY?! If I went to get a driver’s license, and when asked for a Birth Certificate, I said, “You can view it online. I have it as a hi-res .jpg saved from photoshop at this URL: www . . . “. You would expect that my online image should be regarded as conforming and legally sufficient?
Tired_old_conservative gets sloppy in post 89
REALLY?! Do you think Hawaii Dept of Health would describe themselves as legally obligated to step in and say, “No, that image on the web does not accurately reflect the records we have on file?” How does that fit with their constant insistence that they cannot legally comment on whether or not the online short-form COLB is accurate? Do you suppose it’s their policy to withhold verification on documents that are accurate, while at the same time, being obligated to declare any frauds to be frauds? “Well, we can’t legally verify it as accurate, but if it were inaccurate we’d tell you instantly.” That’s almost as dumb as Patrickl saying, “The certificate of birth that is supported by the current Republican Governor of Hawaii.” What?
Ok, I’m sure you’ve given good logical explanations to this that I’ve heretofore missed, so just give me a link if that’s all you have time for. If you don’t have a good answer for this sloppiness, retract your statement or else further solidify your place on the troll list.
The maneuvering of the Hawaii DOH makes me think more than anything else that there is something troubling about Obama’s birth records, and I don’t think they are applying their own laws fairly on this matter. Given the tremendous strain they’ve been under in terms of records requests and the need to make strange, cryptic public statements about Obama’s records, and the need to rework their web site and terminology to deal with Obama questions, I simply can’t see how we should conclude that there is nothing to hide. If what he has on his long-form COLB is exactly what is reflected by his short-form COLB, why in heaven’s name has HDOH not found a way to say so. Even if it is a stretch of their rules (which I think it isn’t) to provide verification, do they fear retribution for merely verifying that what Obama says as truth. Who do they think will sue them, or what court will penalize their officers? Given the full story about the DOH machinations, I think the most reasonable, logical conclusion is that there is something to hide.
Do you really think that HDOH is totally playing this one straight?
I think it makes the conservative movement look silly, almost DU like.
>The two birth announcements in both Honolulu newspapers at the time don’t count I guess?
They wouldn’t be valid if he tried to enlist in the Army; are you suggesting that the position of Commander in Chief should have less-stringent qualifications than that of enlisting?
Divide and conquer. Taking a page from the leftists playbook. Push and push until something gives, just like they have done.
I applaud the soldiers. Keep up the pressure!
I haven't read all the replies and I'm not going to. Your opinion on the validity of 0's citizenship (or mine or anyone else's) is irrelevant.
The "birther" thing is classic Saul Alinsky. *If* 0 is in fact not a citizen, great. *If* in fact he is, well, they've been harassed, harried, and forced to confront, more or less, one more issue, which will take time from their project of destroying this country.
Old Saul is probably spinning in his grave that his tactics are being used (if even inadvertently) by conservatives. Screw him.
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