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I Was Banned For Not Tipping
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Posted on 01/07/2010 9:51:07 AM PST by big black dog

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To: big black dog

I always tip. But I have sometimes wondered if this makes sense when I am in a smaller ethnic restaurant where the waitperson is obviously the owner or a member of the owner’s family.


281 posted on 01/07/2010 12:36:13 PM PST by wideminded
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To: trumandogz
And what reason would a restaurant have for banning a black man from their premises?

Because they don't normally tip.

282 posted on 01/07/2010 12:37:55 PM PST by grand wazoo
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To: wideminded

If they’re a member of the owners family definitely tip, most folks that have relatives working for them do so because relatives are cheap so they’re probably making less than a normal employee would. If it’s the owner then it’s all about how much you liked the overall experience, you can chose not to tip an owner because the pain sucks, it’s all their fault.


283 posted on 01/07/2010 12:40:53 PM PST by discostu (The Bluebird of Happiness long absent from his life, Ned is visited by the Chicken of Depression)
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To: RobRoy

I’m not joking. In your case, you ask the waitress why you had to stare at your meal for five minutes and then tip accordingly.

You’ve got choices, and so does the restaurant. Waitresses SHOULD be waiting on their best tippers. That’s where their and their owner’s best interests lie.

If that’s your first meal at that restaurant, then you likely won’t return. If you’ve been dining there for sometime and you haven’t been tipping, then little wonder why your meal was a breeding ground for flies for five minutes.

As an owner, I service all clients, but not all clients are equal.

Why would I expect my waitress to give the same level of service to some service thief when I have other clients tipping up to 30%?

If my waitress has to explain the economics of that situation to me in order to back her play, then I don’t deserve to be in business.

This owner handled it completely wrong. I would have invited the idiot back. I would have waved a friendly hello to him as he came in. I would have then told my waitstaff, including the bar, to forget he existed. Fill the salt and pepper first, clean the menus, then take a break - if he’s STILL there, then bring him water and ask him what he wants to drink.

The man’s getting exactly the service he’s willing to pay for.


284 posted on 01/07/2010 12:41:23 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: big black dog

What a cheap bastard! He should just stay home and eat freezer-burned pot pies and drink out-of-date Milwaukee’s Bests. Then he can wh*ck off over a twenty-year-old Playboy.


285 posted on 01/07/2010 12:44:22 PM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice in these troubled times.)
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To: big black dog
Two words.

Cheep B*****d!

286 posted on 01/07/2010 12:50:10 PM PST by Ditto (Directions for Clean Government: If they are in, vote them out. Rinse and repeat.)
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As long as we're on the topic of tipping, how does it make any freaking sense for the amount of the tip to be based on the cost of the food? We have a local place that offers a great breakfast deal, including drink, for $3.75. Even if we order an extra side item, you're looking at ten bucks or so after sales tax for my wife & I to eat there. If I tipped 15%, I'd be leaving $1.50. Then later that day we go to Red Lobster, spend $33, and the 15% tip would come to five bucks. But the server at the cheap place does about the same amount of work. Why should they be punished for working at a place that has better prices?
287 posted on 01/07/2010 12:53:05 PM PST by Sloth (Civil disobedience? I'm afraid only the uncivil kind is going to cut it this time.)
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To: big black dog
This guy is a regular at a restaurant where he never tips? He's obviously never worked in a restaurant and is a brave man to do this. He would undoubtedly be amazed by what's probably happened to his food and/or drink prior to arriving in front of him. He's appears to be pretty clueless.

Anyone altering a credit card receipt should be terminated by the owner. However, the owner was right in asking him not to come back. Tipping ain't goin' away and this guy is an idiot to think it's going to change.

288 posted on 01/07/2010 1:03:28 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: gdani

Did I touch a nerve, or are you always rude?
FYI, I performed my job well and was tipped generously for it. Nevertheless, I’m willing to recognize that it didn’t require much learning or intelligence.

“You might not be aware — but there’s lots of types of bars between fine restaurants & college bars.”

Notwithstanding your condescending remark, who’s talking about college bars? I’ve been to bars ranging from utter dives on up to the Plaza Hotel. I contend that except for high-end restauants and bars (where they earn their money), the bartenders in your typical neighborhood establishment know all they need to know after a week on the job.


289 posted on 01/07/2010 1:03:35 PM PST by MayfairFly
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To: gogeo
This particular owner has an unseemly sense of entitlement. Thay does not speak well for his establishment or his service.

I totally disagree. It sounds like the owner respects his waitstaff, and I would expect that they will return the favor through increased loyatly / work ethic. He stood up for his employees; good for him.

290 posted on 01/07/2010 1:06:24 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: rwfromkansas

Actually, it is the point ... you’ve been complaining that some service workers are being treated “unfairly”, because they don’t get tips.


291 posted on 01/07/2010 1:08:10 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Sloth

It’s a baseline. If you want to tip more go ahead. There’s a short order place I used to frequent that was insanely cheap like the place you discuss, I usually gave them $20 even though it was nearly impossible for the meal to cost more than $10. But it was $20 worth of food as far as I was concerned so what the heck.


292 posted on 01/07/2010 1:10:35 PM PST by discostu (The Bluebird of Happiness long absent from his life, Ned is visited by the Chicken of Depression)
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To: Sloth

At those really inexpensive breakfast/lunch joints, I’ve several times left a 100% tip.


293 posted on 01/07/2010 1:11:29 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Sloth

Here’s what I’ve heard:

General rule: Breakfast*: 10%. Lunch: 15% Dinner: 20%

*”I’m going to work” breakfast. Not “I’m finishing a pub crawl” breakfast.

Why: Breakfast sees a lot of turnover in guests during the period. Lunch less so. Dinner least.


294 posted on 01/07/2010 1:12:05 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: MayfairFly
Did I touch a nerve, or are you always rude?

I'm not the one maligning bartenders as people with easy jobs & limited intelligence. Anyone who routinely deals with drunks & the public in general deserves all they can get.

FYI, I performed my job well

Make up your mind. Did you perform your job well or did you get drunk & carouse with your customers, as you said before?

295 posted on 01/07/2010 1:16:03 PM PST by gdani (I just want to be left on this block of ice...)
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To: RobRoy
Hmmm...frankly I am surprised. I will always leave one or two bucks for the woman who cleans up. Sometimes I leave a buck a day and sometimes I leave it when I check out.

I am from the northeast and that is fairly common here...perhaps our difference on this issue relates to the culture of where we're from.

But the way I figure, when I travel for business, I am staying in a room that can be anywhere from 125 to 300/night and a minimum wage woman who works hard (likely helping support a family) deserves a few bucks. I will, at times, go down to the desk and change a 5 or 10 so I can leave a few singles, come back to the room and then go back down and check out.

I guess it was my mistake to think this was a universal thing...

296 posted on 01/07/2010 1:17:30 PM PST by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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To: Sloth

...And as others have said, the general rule is the baseline for tippong. Get a great breakfast cheap? Leave more! Lousy service? Leave 5% or 10%. My own rule is, regardless of where you go for what meal or what you end up getting, be prepared to leave a 20% gratuity to your own bill.


297 posted on 01/07/2010 1:17:54 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: grand wazoo

You’re putting words in my mouth. I never said tending bar was a path to riches.
I simply was attempting to illustrate that it took me several years out in the business world before I was able to earn what I did as a young, inexperienced, and non-degreed bartender.


298 posted on 01/07/2010 1:18:11 PM PST by MayfairFly
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To: Dionysius

Sounds like a great night for a college guy...


299 posted on 01/07/2010 1:20:25 PM PST by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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To: NittanyLion
I totally disagree...

You are free to do so, of course. It comes down to whether one views a tip as voluntary or mandatory. If we don't agree on the basic premise, there's no point in discussing it.

The owner is free, of course, to follow any policy he pleases. In this case, I think posting the policy would be appropriate.

If he doesn't want to, then I would question his motive...and his honesty. He obviously does not view it as voluntary.

I call it a sense of entitlement. What would you call it, when wait staff adds their own tip onto the ticket...twice?

I think there's no other word for it...and an inappropriate sense of entitlement is a flag flown by losers and looters. It's poison to individuals and to societies.

I understand the guy goes there to visit friends. It seems to me that tipping may be the price of admission. If he chooses not to, it's a simple decision; it's not proof of moral decay or defect. I am amazed at the name calling and invective aimed at him.

300 posted on 01/07/2010 1:22:29 PM PST by gogeo (Lefties...making small minded pettiness seem...well, fashionable.)
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