Posted on 01/29/2010 11:45:24 AM PST by BobMcCartyWrites
Only three days after Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood announced the new rules that prohibit drivers of trucks and buses from using cell phones and texting while behind the wheel, officials at the Highway Loss Data Institute released study findings that show no reductions in crashes after hand-held phone bans take effect.
And yet you are still in favor of a law that won't actually do anything?
And here you go again making up things that weren’t said. There’s a large gap between not doing anything and solving the problem. Stiffer drunk driving laws did solve the problem, but they did greatly reduce it. Eventually these laws will probably reduce the problem too. It IS a problem, the vast majority of people just plain can’t handle their can and cell phone at the same time, and these people are killing others, and it’s time to at least slow it down. We can’t stop it, but that doesn’t mean it’s not doing anything.
Just a minute. I’m much more alert when I make calls on my cell. We have a law against holding the phone and I have increased my looking out for the highway patrol.
Yeah, and those motorized cars, TV's and computers will never amount to nothing either.
So you're in favor of a law that will do something but not entirely solve the problem and if the law is intrusive and statist, that's ok.
And apparently you think that special training makes it okay for certain people to be immune from the law but not for mandating that training for everyone instead of having an overly intrusive and statist law that punishes everyone.
Don't want to get accused of putting words in your mouth again, so let me know what part is not accurate.
Let’s play the game your way, since you enjoy putting words in people’s mouth so much (which you did, again, with this post).
So you think that if a law can’t 100% completely solve a problem, thoroughly irradiating the behavior in question, we shouldn’t make it? You’re in favor of eliminating all laws that ever failed to entirely solve a problem?
Let me know if you actually want to discuss what’s actually being said. So far for the last half dozen post all you’ve done is make stupid crap up (much like I did above) and pretend that’s what I’m saying.
Mostly. Rather than pass a law that doesn't work, how about we find something that does work and then do that instead? Especially when the law that doesn't work takes rights away from people who are not harming anyone.
The reality is that most of these laws that "don't 100% completely solve the problem" were never intended to solve the problem at all. Rather they were written by someone who saw either a way for government to further intrude into the lives of people or they saw a way for the government to gain more revenue.
And then they sold those laws to people by saying, "It's a first step. Yes, some people will have to give up a few rights but that's the cost when you are wrapping people up in a legal blanky so they will feel safe."
The only just duty that a government has is to protect the rights of it's citizens. If you have to take some rights away to ensure safety, you've failed.
You can can have safety. Or you can can have freedom. Don't count on having both.
Me, I would rather have freedom. How about you?
It can’t work that way. If you get rid of laws that don’t eliminate the problem you might as well burn the law book. The second somebody robs a bank they just proved that the bank robbery laws don’t work (bank robbery not eliminated) so out they go. Oops a woman got raped, so much for those laws. Identify theft, fraud, bribery, you name it.
Again it goes back to what I said in post number 2, people don’t stop doing something because it’s illegal. How you want laws to work isn’t how people work. Laws don’t prevent, they PUNISH.
So the guy zipping down the road, texting his wife, obeying all other traffic laws and harming no one, gets punished because a cop sees him and pulls him over.
And this is okay with you? A person who has harmed no one gets punished?
If he’s obeying all the other traffic laws and harming no one he won’t get caught. We already went over this.
I do believe that we ("we" being the two different groups, the freedom lovers and the law-and-order types) back when the seat belt laws first went into affect.
"Oh, don't worry!" they said, "It's only going to be a secondary offense. No one will EVER get pulled over and ticketed for not wearing a seat belt."
And now it happens regularly. I have zero faith that just because you think it won't happen next week that we won't be living with this pointless and overly invasive law long after the trolls that defended it have vanished.
It always works that way. The DUI laws get stricter and stricter until they are no longer about getting drunks off the road. The seat belt laws, the helmet laws, the child seat laws, now it's texting and cell phones. Offer me one example of a law that restricts a driver's freedom that has never gotten worse and then I'll bite.
If it's a safety issue then it should apply to everyone on the road. If cops are exempt then it's not a safety law.
The reality is that this is just ANOTHER nanny-state, freedom-restricting statist intrusion.
I’ve never seen anybody get pulled over just for not wearing a seat belt. The fact of the matter is cops pass by hundreds, maybe thousands, of cars a day. They pull people over who draw attention to themselves. If you can keep it at the speed limit and between the lines you won’t draw attention to yourself, you can be drunk, texting and not wearing a seat belt but if you’re keeping it together they won’t even notice you.
I have.
If you can keep it at the speed limit and between the lines you wont draw attention to yourself, you can be drunk, texting and not wearing a seat belt but if youre keeping it together they wont even notice you.
Maybe so. But I don't care. Passing a law that has unwritten rules about how it is enforced is just plain stupid. Sooner or later those unwritten rules disappear and we're stuck with it.
There’s not unwritten rule, it’s a simple matter of logistics, if you’re keeping control of your car cops can’t tell if you’re breaking one of the rules that exists to force you to keep control of your car. They can only tell if you’re NOT keeping control of your car, at which point they pull you over and figure out why and give you the appropriate ticket. That’s how all traffic laws worked and have worked and always will work.
No, it's an unwritten rule. The written rule says, "No texting while driving."
The unwritten rule says, "We can't really monitor the inside of your car, so just don't drive badly and we won't pull you over for texting while driving."
Note that what that really means is: "We can't really monitor the inside of your car yet."
There have been idiot legislators that have suggested linking into the onboard computers in cars to see if people have been speeding. How long until one of them suggests that since web cams are so cheap and most cars have onboard computers, lets record people while they drive?
That’s not an unwritten rule. that’s just you whining for a week now defending an indefensibly stupid behavior that gets people killed. Get over yourself.
Nice spin. Here's the fact. The law doesn't say, "Texting while driving is illegal but unless you weave we won't pull you over."
So since that part that you claim makes it okay isn't written into the law, that makes it unwritten.
Was that in small enough words for you?
Get over yourself.
Typical statist trash. When someone points out that your feel-good, nanny-state law is just that, you get all huffy and start going emo.
I'm sorry that you are too stupid or too uncoordinated to text and drive. You have a right to not text and drive.
When you think that no one else should either and support having people with guns enforce it, expect real conservatives to call you on it.
What can’t you understand about LOGISTICS. If you’re not weaving they don’t know you’re doing anything wrong, PERIOD. Therefore they don’t pull you over, PERIOD. That’s not an unwritten rule and saying it is is spin.
And now you’ve resorted to insults, thus proving you know you have no point and that l9ogic is against you. So we’re done.
As opposed to you not understanding ENGLISH. I fully understand that TODAY it isn't possible to monitor every driver in every car to see if they are texting. And that can change for the worse.
Therefore they dont pull you over, PERIOD.
Which is entirely different than them not being able to pull you over because the law says so.
And now youve resorted to insults,
Which you started in post 56. So you can dish it out but not take it?
So were done.
Great. You can cede the point and go away.
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