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There is No Debate with the Left- My Confrontation with Mr. Liberal History Teacher
Conservative Hideout 2.0 ^ | 2-17-10 | A Conservative Teacher

Posted on 02/17/2010 4:51:24 AM PST by ConservativeHideout

There is no debate with the left- there is submission or opposition which must be submitted. This fact is not just in evidence when our leftist President speaks- Obama in his infamous health care speech said that there is no debate and that he will not tolerate any discussion on the issues. But it isn’t just the President- I think this is an inherent feature of a leftist liberal Democrat- that there is no debate with them, and this reminded me of a recent run in I had with another teacher.

As you are aware, I’m a teacher at a secondary school near Detroit. In my social studies department, which is quite large, we have many teachers, most of them liberals and one or two conservative. Last week I was talking to another teacher, who considers himself to be the guru of history and who’s style of teaching is to let students bathe in his brilliance, and we were talking about methods of teaching history.

So I said to this liberal teacher- “So what method of history do you focus on when you teach? Do you subscribe to the regressive model, where the past was a romantic perfect world and we have fallen? Or do you subscribe to the progressive model, where in the past man was less evolved and intelligent but as we progress in the future man gets better? Or are you perhaps a fan of the Great Man Theory, where history is shaped by great individuals?”

To be perfectly honest, I already knew what sort of method Mr. Liberal History Teacher taught in his classroom- he believed that history was a conflict, and out of these conflicts man moves forward. Typically in his class he would present a conflict, talk about the response to the conflict, and then teach about how the tension between the two was resolved. The key conflicts that he focused on was the conflict between classes. He also likes to focus in his classes on how the minority groups dominate or exploit the working class and the importance of revolution. In a nutshell, he is a Marxist. I already knew this, but he answer as to what sort of method he taught in surprised me.

“There are no different methods of teaching history,” the liberal teacher said, “There is no politics in history- the only possible way that history can be taught is as the progress of the workers against capitalism. You can not teach about wars. Do not teach about religion. You are not to teach about free market economics. There can be no debate on this if you are to teach history.”

This surprised me, so I said “That sounds to me like a method of teaching history, one that is kind of political in nature.”

“It is not political in any way- it is the way that history is to be taught. There is to be no debate on this, and no discussion on this. The only way that history can really be taught is this way- if you do teach about wars, religion, economics, freedom, liberty, property rights, or other concepts like that, you are politicizing the issue. Don’t make history a political game- teach it like I do,” he said- which meant teach it like a Marxist.

It was the way he said this that bothered me. I switched the subject and moved past it, but it took him a while to let go of his belief that there was only one way to teach history, the Marxist way, and that any debate or discussion about methods was wrong and a game that I was playing to score political points. Then when I watched Obama’s speech on healthcare and heard him accuse Republicans of playing games and say that there was to be no debate on the issue, and it hit me- for liberals there can be no discussion or debate on issues, only submission to them.

Liberals want you to submit to their authority. Sadly, liberal teachers believe this is their job- to stop debate and discussion and use their classrooms to make you submit to their authority and buy their version of events in the world. In my classroom, there is intelligent discussion, lively debate, questions posed and asked, and different views and methods presented. It is a lively room, where a conservative teacher teaches students how to think, read, write, and do well in life and on tests. In his classroom, there is one view presented, and students are driven to subscribe to that view by a liberal teacher who teaches students to submit and grovel before his brilliance.

This is what is happening in schools today, in little ways and big ways, and although it might scare you, it is important for you to hear stories like this from a teacher like me, who battles every day in the trenches to advance the principles of liberty and freedom.

Originally posted at the Conservative Teacher.


TOPICS: Education; Politics
KEYWORDS: culturalmarxism; dissent; liberalism; publicschools
Conservative Teacher describes what I think many teachers and liberals are like.
1 posted on 02/17/2010 4:51:24 AM PST by ConservativeHideout
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To: ConservativeHideout

Obama will finally release his own “plan” at the meeting..I wonder if anyone realizes his trick? His plan will consist of those things that he believes can be voted through the Senate with 51 votes.


2 posted on 02/17/2010 4:54:21 AM PST by screaminsunshine
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To: ConservativeHideout

Look at what is happening today. The people are beginning to rebel against the elites and protected classes due to matters of economics and power.


3 posted on 02/17/2010 5:00:13 AM PST by misterrob (Have you tea bagged a liberal today?)
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To: ConservativeHideout

You’ll like this then:
http://www.brayincandy.com/id150.html

Pray for America and Freedom


4 posted on 02/17/2010 5:02:31 AM PST by bray (Throw All the Bums Out, starting with McCain)
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To: ConservativeHideout

Conservative Teacher should proofread his/her writing before submitting it for public consumption.


5 posted on 02/17/2010 5:05:30 AM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: ConservativeHideout

Leftists refuse to debate because conservatives insist on using irrelevant and meaningless arguments like Facts and History. These things are of no consequence to the leftist, Reality being purely a construct of the mind and changeable by decree.


6 posted on 02/17/2010 5:06:07 AM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: ConservativeHideout

The Left: they will kill us when they think they can get away with it. That’s what they do. That’s what they’ve always done. For centuries.


7 posted on 02/17/2010 5:09:02 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (I was born in America, but now I live in Declinistan.)
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To: arthurus

That, and they tend to lose anytime there is an actual debate. It all explains why they seek to end dissent.


8 posted on 02/17/2010 5:14:52 AM PST by ConservativeHideout (Waiting for November...)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Yup, there’s no defeating Marxists at a ballot box; there’s only one way to defeat them; history has proven that.


9 posted on 02/17/2010 5:17:40 AM PST by glide625 (We wouldn't find ourselves ensnared by the Evil One if we weren't nibbling at his bait!)
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To: ConservativeHideout

Antonio Gramsci was a lot smarter than V.I. Lenin.

It takes longer, but the “long march through the institutions” has proven the more successful communist strategy.


10 posted on 02/17/2010 5:17:43 AM PST by Travis McGee (----www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com----)
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To: ConservativeHideout
It is not political in any way- it is the way that history is to be taught. There is to be no debate on this, and no discussion on this.

Hmmmmm sounds like the Global Warming crowd.

11 posted on 02/17/2010 5:18:07 AM PST by relictele
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To: arthurus

Liberals and idiots have something in common, they do not change their opinions to fit the facts, they change the facts to fit their opinions.


12 posted on 02/17/2010 5:23:33 AM PST by Huskerscott
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To: ConservativeHideout

The author makes a good point. I guess that’s why libs find a natural affinity with Islam.


13 posted on 02/17/2010 5:23:52 AM PST by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I have never seen such evil on the left as I have in single women looking to date.

Things go from oh you’re so funny, you’re so nice, I wish I’d met you sooner to; “Wait, you’re a Conservative?”, “You like Sarah Palin?”, “You think Obama is a Marxist?”. The transformation is total and immediate and while you’re happy to debate or engage in conversation cheerfully? They shun you like a leper and go back into hiding.

It’s actually quite amusing. I’d write about specific examples of this but we have all encountered it in our daily lives.


14 posted on 02/17/2010 5:24:19 AM PST by PittsburghAfterDark
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

If this were “Jeopardy!” I think the proper response would be: “Where do old, bitter, single Democrat women come from?”


15 posted on 02/17/2010 5:27:52 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (I was born in America, but now I live in Declinistan.)
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To: ConservativeHideout
Had a liberal, Jewish, history professor in college.

One day while expounding on the history of Civil Rights and how society "owed" certain groups, he said, "You don't know what discrimination is like until you have been discriminated against."

I asked him, "So, you aren't left-handed are you? The entire world is built against you from telephones to slide rules to scissors and even your own family tells you, 'You sit here BECAUSE you're left-handed.' But we don't sit on our butts with our hands out waiting for the Great Society Fairy to show up."

16 posted on 02/17/2010 5:33:00 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't fly, can't ski, can't drive, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best.)
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To: relictele
Then when I watched Obama’s speech on healthcare and heard him accuse Republicans of playing games and say that there was to be no debate on the issue, and it hit me- for liberals there can be no discussion or debate on issues, only submission to them.

"Sort of sounds like the Global Warming crowd."

Sounds a lot like Islam too. I.e. Islam=Submission per definition.

17 posted on 02/17/2010 5:36:33 AM PST by mc5cents
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To: N. Theknow

Just about every person in this world, by some form or another, has been discriminated against at some time in their life. It’s not about knowing how it feels, or who “owes” what, it’s about how you overcome and triumph. As a Jew, we have triumphed for thousands of years, mostly by the adapt, improvise and overcome method, while liberals get left in the dust clinging to who owes them.


18 posted on 02/17/2010 5:43:30 AM PST by exbrit
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

You’re smart to get this out of the way quickly. Don’t waste your time on such women. They may someday break free of the brainwashing they’ve received all of these years, but you don’t want to end up hoping for that.


19 posted on 02/17/2010 6:25:30 AM PST by jdsteel (CONGRESS: Take it again in twenty ten.)
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To: ConservativeHideout
the only possible way that history can be taught is as the progress of the workers against capitalism.

We have always been at war with EastAsia.
20 posted on 02/17/2010 6:32:05 AM PST by tanknetter
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