Obama Birth Certificate - Hawaii Revised Law

vibe.us ^ | 12/27/2008 | Forsetti

[BuckeyeTexan]

Thought you might find this educational.

Tex

[BuckeyeTexan]

Ping to Hawaii Revised Law re: birth certificates.

[Carling]

It will be an interesting case for the history books, hat’s for sure.

Meanwhile, there is literally zero chance that any of this Birther stuff impacts the mid-terms this fall.

[TigersEye]

btrl

0bamas’ hidden records: Why are these off limits?

1 Certified copy of original birth certificate
2 Columbia University transcripts
3 Columbia thesis paper
4 Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups
5 Harvard University transcripts
6 Illinois State Senate records
7 Illinois State Senate schedule
8 Law practice client list and billing records/summary
9 Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mother
10 Medical records (only the one page summary released so far)
11 Occidental College Transcripts
12 Parent’s marriage Certificate
13 Record of baptism
14 Selective Service registration records
(Did Obama Actually Register for Selective Service?
This supposed revelation of 0's SS records has been debunked here and here.)
15 Schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007
16 Passport records for all passports
17 Scholarly articles
18 SAT and LSAT test scores
19 Access to his grandmother in Kenya
20 List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists
21 Punahou grade school records
22 Noelani Kindergarten records are oddly missing from the the State of Hawaii Department of Education.
23 Page 11 of Stanley Ann Dunham's divorce decree.
24 Why did Barack Obama resign from the Illinois bar and where are all of the relevant documents?
25 Why did Michelle Obama resign from the Illinois bar after only about four years of practice and where are all of the relevant documents?

Anyone who cares about their country would be very concerned that a POTUS had hidden every scrap of information of his life that he possibly could.

0bamas’ hidden records: Why are these off limits?

[BuckeyeTexan]

Yeah, I’m not a birther. I just posted this for two birther friends to review.

[Diogenesis]

THE MECHANISM

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Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigator’s June 10 Report
"The Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii
In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an “original birth certificate” on record.
BC1. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents’ identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).

BC2. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before “the local registrar of the district.”
It would have been very easy for a relative to forge an absent parent’s signature to a form and mail it in.
In addition, if a claim was made that “neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.” (Section 57-8&9)
.... there is and was no requirement for a physician or midwife to witness, state or report that the baby was born in Hawaii.

BC3. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, a “Delayed Certificate” could be filed, which required that “a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing or the alteration [of a file] shall be endorsed on the certificates”, which “evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file.”
The statute provided that “the probative value of a ‘delayed’ or ‘altered’ certificate shall be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence.” (See Section 57- 9, 18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).”

BC4. If a child is born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]) if the Office of the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year.
(See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961.)
In 1955 the “secretary of the Territory” was in charge of this procedure. In 1960 it was transferred to the Office of the Lieutenant Governor (“the lieutenant governor, or his secretary, or such other person as he may designate or appoint from his office” §338-41 [in 1961]).

In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fifth kind of “original birth certificate”. Under Act 182 H.B. NO. 3016-82, “Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that the proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.”
In this way “state policies and procedures” accommodate even “children born out of State” (this is the actual language of Act 182) with an “original birth certificate on record.”

[bigbob]

I’m concerned for a lot more reason that this list, like the fact that he’s wrecking the country.

Some day maybe we’ll know what the reason for hiding all this stuff was. He was obviously able to do it and get elected President anyway, so there’s not much reason for him to release these files now.

Anyone remember seeing Bill Clinton’s medical records?

[Diogenesis]

THE COVERUP

Proof of DNC Corruption ignored by DOJ and SCOTUS
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Altered voting certificates by Pelosi for election fraud for the DNC

Exhibit 1: (the original, but discarded) states:
”THIS IS TO CERTIFY that at the National Convention of the Democrat Party of the
United States of America, held in Denver, Colorado on August 25 though 28, 2008, the
following were duly nominated as candidates of said Party for President and Vice
President of the United States respectively and that the following candidates for President
and Vice President of the United States are legally qualified to serve under the provisions
of the United States Constitution:”

Exhibit 2: specifically leaves out the qualifying requirement:
”THIS IS TO CERTIFY that at the National Convention of the Democrat Party of the
United States of America, held in Denver, Colorado on August 25 though 28, 2008, the
following were duly nominated as candidates of said Party for President and Vice
President of the United States respectively:”

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Exhibit 3: More altered documents where the natural born requirement
Check off box … was removed.

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“D.C. Tech Official Is Accused of Bribery(Birth Certificate Forgery)
A D.C. government official and a business executive were arrested yesterday on bribery
charges involving city technology contracts that included "ghost" workers and
kickbacks, federal authorities said. Until recently, the technology office was headed
by Vivek Kundra, who has taken a job as President Obama's chief information officer.
A White House official confirmed last night that Kundra has taken a leave of absence.
“Yusuf Acar, 40, who has worked in the technology office since 2004, was charged with
bribery, conspiracy, money laundering and conflict of interest.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Thomas Hibarger told a federal judge that Acar is a flight risk because agents
seized $70,000 in cash in his house and because in recorded conversations, he boasted that he could easily flee to his native Turkey.
Acar also told the informant that he could use
computers to create fake D.C. birth certificates, Hibarger said. “

[rogertarp]

I find it futile and distractive. We have a socialist in the white house. He is killing himself politically but we are killing ourselves with “birther” crap.This stuff is pushing us to the margins and it is totally hokum. If I were a moderator I would get this out of here and focus on real issues. It is killing us folks. I think it is planted by DU people.

[True Republican Patriot]

Thank you so much for this excellent article! Its clearer than ever with your information that OBOZO is an Outright Fraud being covered by a Mass Slander Machine and a Nefarious MEDIA Gaggle of Fraudulent Propagandists posing as Journalists and News Anchors! This Fraudulent Scandal will possibly Match the Fraudulent Scandal we are witnessing with the Global Warming Meltdown!! Its Outrageous that We have a Compulsive LIAR in the WHITE HOUSE and he is still protected by those who claim their professsion is to find and print the Truth! Our Media would do HITLER PROUD!!

[TigersEye]

I’m concerned for a lot more reason that this list, like the fact that he’s wrecking the country.

Good. So am I.

[BuckeyeTexan]

Ping to informative article on various types of Hawaiian birth certificates available in 1961 and the applicable Hawaii Revised Law statutes (photographed from micrfilm.)

[BuckeyeTexan]

Agreed, agreed, agreed. I am NOT a birther. I posted this hoping it would put some of their claims to rest.

[Qwackertoo]

At this point, I just hope I’m still alive if/when the long form birth certificate, IF there is one, finally hits daylight. ;)

[BP2]

Re-direct your comments to the thread below,
where the smell of After-Birther flesh is in the air:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2457491/posts?q=1&;page=751

[presently no screen name]

like the fact that he’s wrecking the country.

Would an American deliberately wreck our country?

[parsifal]

First:

Interesting. Here’s weaknesses, IMHO. One, the COLB states on its face that it is prima facie of evidence of what it purports to say. Could someone have gotten it in a less than scrupulous manner. Of course. Is there any evidence to support that contention? No. Nothing but “well this could have happened” type stuff.

What the author has tried to do is bootstrap these suspicions into something that guts Hawaii law and probably the law of every other state. Well, if somebody could have cheated back in 1961, then what you (Hawaii) do every day is inadequate for all purposes. BS. States are using this form of documentation for a reason.

The facts are, this is how Hawaii does it. Without any proof that this isn’t working, there is no reason for it to change. This is an official state document. It says he was born in Hawaii. Case closed.

It looks to me like the author is just trying lump enough language into his article to make it look well done and cover the great big huge gaping hole in his rationale.

parsy, who wasn’t moved