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Obama - Maybe a Citizen of the United States But Not a Natural Born Citizen
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2010/03/obama-maybe-citizen-of-united-states.html ^ | March 4,2010 | Mario Apuzzo

Posted on 03/05/2010 4:25:45 AM PST by Spaulding

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To: tired_old_conservative

Don’t let then know we’re on to them. Use the codebook.

The raven may sing at midnight, but tapioca is a better thickening starch.


61 posted on 03/05/2010 3:50:35 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: tired_old_conservative
So it’s fishing and disruption for them.

I thought that's what Orly does when she goes to court.

62 posted on 03/05/2010 5:17:09 PM PST by lucysmom
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To: El Sordo

Hey, when I was in the BGOTE, I found their manual override password phrase. It helps you unlock and understand ALL their evidence. Every single bit!

Circulus in demonstrando.

parsy, who barely made it back out......


63 posted on 03/05/2010 5:30:42 PM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: lucysmom

No, its what I’m doing when I ask them to translate their stuff into English.

parsy, who is back out to the net to research for a while....


64 posted on 03/05/2010 5:32:59 PM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: Drennan Whyte
Someday...maybe...possibly...perhaps...

Or not

65 posted on 03/05/2010 5:33:41 PM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: lucysmom

No, its what I’m doing when I ask them to translate their stuff into English.

parsy, who is back out to the net to research for a while....


66 posted on 03/05/2010 5:33:46 PM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: lucysmom

No, its what I’m doing when I ask them to translate their stuff into English.

parsy, who is back out to the net to research for a while....


67 posted on 03/05/2010 5:33:51 PM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: Drennan Whyte
It doesn't say there is any difference either.

If there were no distinction, the judge wouldn't have made one in the first place, now would he?

68 posted on 03/05/2010 5:33:51 PM PST by MamaTexan (NO ONE owes allegiance to an unconstitutional government)
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To: El Sordo

“Blessent mon cœur d’une langueur monotone”


69 posted on 03/05/2010 5:50:50 PM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: parsifal; El Sordo; lucysmom; JustaDumbBlonde; MilspecRob; BuckeyeTexan; tired_old_conservative

Why does it make sense to treat the Natural Born Citizen clause—which is the Constitutional guard against internal overthrow of our country—with a low threshold of proof rather than a high one? By definition, this guard defends the seat of power of our nation.

Why would you spend countless hours on the internet advocating the lower threshold of proof?

Unless you favor overthrow of our nation?


70 posted on 03/05/2010 5:56:12 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Hey you noble leftists. You can't be honest about your agenda because you're not confident in it.)
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To: EnderWiggins
Welcome to Free Republic EnderWiggins. If you read the Apuzzo article you will see that he not only cited, Wong Kim Ark, but clarified the relevant passages. Apuzzo’s article is authoritative because he has provided references for most of the important references in Supreme Court cases, and references to some of the history (there are over two millenia of relevant discussion). He didn't only refer to Wong Kim, one of the more obtuse decisions. If you are seriously interested in the citations read the original article at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/ . The URL pointers were not preserved when I copied the original. Not only did Apuzzo cite Wong Kim, he cited over a dozen other "authoritative" sources. As a newcomer, I invite you to help inform Free Republic readers by finding one "authoritative" source with a different interpretation of natural born citizen.

The important point, besides the history and record of the court, is that there has never been another interpretation of natural born citizen in Supreme Court proceedings. There have been some idiotic circuit court decisions, but they demonstrate that this is about power politics - “the persuasion of power” described by Andy Stern - rather than legal reasoning.

71 posted on 03/05/2010 5:59:08 PM PST by Spaulding
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To: DJ MacWoW

Talking about scrubbing, Patrick Leahy has removed the reference to Senate Res. 511, which he co-sponsored, from his senate web site. It is still available in the senate archives, but that he selectively removed 511 tells us the pressure is having an effect.


72 posted on 03/05/2010 6:02:30 PM PST by Spaulding
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To: Spaulding
tells us the pressure is having an effect.

Yes. And that's why there are more trolls. And why they are frantic.

73 posted on 03/05/2010 6:04:18 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: F15Eagle

The officials in power know that the American people cannot accept being exposed as fools and lunatics; therefore, the truth will remain forever hidden. No historian who desires professional recognition will ever touch the matter. Just like the scientists who endorse evolution to garner foundation and government grants


74 posted on 03/05/2010 6:07:30 PM PST by Theodore R. (...)
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To: syc1959

Again, the American people are not capable of understanding the differences here. Its a half-century of dumbed-down “education” at play.


75 posted on 03/05/2010 6:09:26 PM PST by Theodore R. (...)
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To: reasonisfaith

There is no “thresh hold”. You don’t kinda move the bar depending on how one feels today. What there is, is case law. There is Wong. And Wong defines NBC.

You don’t start playing with laws, and making up thresh holds because you don’t like who won the election. That’s what they do in places like uh uh Venezuela. You know, you just change the law as you want...And Cuba, I think a lot of their law is kinda subjective. Whatever a couple of guys named Castro want it to be.

You are lucky enough to live here. You should take the time to understand the laws that apply to this.

parsy


76 posted on 03/05/2010 6:10:37 PM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: tired_old_conservative; reasonisfaith

I haven’t a clue what the hell you’re writing about or how it applies to me in this thread that I’ve never seen and in which I have zero interest. Kindly remove me from your ping list.


77 posted on 03/05/2010 6:24:58 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: MamaTexan
I agree with you MamaTexan. Don't be discouraged at the apparent lack of response. The campaign to classify the Constitutional issue with rumors about Kenyan birth certificates and 9/11 Truthers has had some success. Too many are desperately worried about jobs, about health care, and don't connect the obscure eligibility issue. We need to calmly explain he less sensational truth that there are clear eligibility criterea for the president and Obama doesn't meet them. Eventually money becomes and issue, which is why Donofrio/Pidgeon’s suit question the Chrysler dealer's removal may be the key to forcing the judicial system to man up.

I have heard no cogent counter argument to the assertion that every bill Obama signs is invalid. Trillions of dollars in debt have been committed with the authority of an ineligible chief executive. With Obama and the Chicago Mafia in control of justice, seeing what they did with Congressman Deal, most injured parties will keep a low profile. Obama is, at best, a one term president. Everything he has done can be undone with one honest law suit. Perhaps it will be Kerchner/Apuzzo. Taitz has a judge who has not been afraid of the Clinton justice department, Royce Lambert.

We have just begun to fight. There are more of us who believe the Constitution can keep us free. This is an attack on the Constitution. We need people like you and others whose names and thoughts I've seen on FR to stand up and teach others the real issue. Too bad others, such as WND, with a voice wasted money by focusing on a birth certificate which will never see the light of day. There is nothing to prove. We need to force our judicial system to act on a violation of our Constitution. Politicians may prefer this battle over every socialist issue because it shows they are doing something, and will help the GOP regain the legislature. No legislator who cannot answer the question “what defines a ‘natural born citizen’, the Constitutional eligibility standard for president?” should receive the votes of patriots.

78 posted on 03/05/2010 6:26:56 PM PST by Spaulding
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To: Spaulding

bump


79 posted on 03/05/2010 6:34:53 PM PST by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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To: Spaulding; parsifal
The important point, besides the history and record of the court, is that there has never been another interpretation of natural born citizen in Supreme Court proceedings. There have been some idiotic circuit court decisions, but they demonstrate that this is about power politics...

I could be wrong, but isn't it true that once the Supreme Court has ruled, a precedent is set, and lower courts are bound to rule in accordance with that precedent? If a lower court decides in conflict with a Supreme Court ruling, than can't the lower courts decision be overturned?

80 posted on 03/05/2010 6:38:04 PM PST by lucysmom
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