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Does It Matter if Obamacare Passes?
The Voice of Reason ^ | March 10, 2010 | Texas Peartree

Posted on 03/10/2010 12:09:44 PM PST by Texas Peartree

Hidden from discussions about Reconciliation, 60-vote Senate super-majorities and the arcane rules of passing the same bad bill in both Houses of Congress, a more fundamental obstacle to socializing our medical system may soon emerge: the voters' sovereignty. People may soon stop to ask whether passing Obama's bill matters, considering what would likely happen after the President signs his landmark mistake.

Imagine that this sweeping healthcare abomination passes with zero votes from Republicans in the House and Senate. Never before has an important reform bill been passed in this manner. Heck, even the Civil Right laws of the 1960s were able to find some non-extremist Democrats to support them.

Assume further than the brain-dead Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and walking-argument-for-limiting-botox Speaker Nancy Pelosi pass a bill using every machination at their disposal. In November of this year the people will speak. My guess is that the people would elect Republicans into the majority in the House. The Senate is more difficult to change quickly, as only 1/3rd of the Senate is up for re-election every election cycle. Suffice it to say, the Senate would have a 50-50 chance of reverting to Republican control.

Since the healthcare reform begins collecting taxes in 2011, but only begins spending these taxes on universal healthcare in 2015, wouldn't we have an opportunity to repeal Obamacare? We would not need a 2/3rds super-majority to override a Presidential veto, as Congress puts forth all spending bills.

Furthermore, any Democrats in the Senate who are up for re-election in 2012 would likely support this repeal after seeing the landslide against their party in 2010. Unlike now, by then few Democrats in Congress could be bought off easily by the Obama Administration, as it would seem likely that he is a one-termer . . .

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: 2010elections; obamacare; slaughterhouse

1 posted on 03/10/2010 12:09:45 PM PST by Texas Peartree
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To: Texas Peartree

Does it matter if it passes? You’re darn right it does. Don’t ever believe that if it passes it can or will be repealed somewhere down the line. I don’t want to take that chance. Kill it now and be done with it!


2 posted on 03/10/2010 12:13:00 PM PST by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: Texas Peartree

Much harder to undo something than it is to stop it.


3 posted on 03/10/2010 12:13:09 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Russ

Kill the bill!
Kill the bill!
Kill the bill!
Kill the bill!
Kill the bill!
Kill the bill!
Kill the bill!
Kill the bill!
Ditto.................


4 posted on 03/10/2010 12:14:19 PM PST by cubreporter (Scott Brown turned it all around. The people CAN and DID make a difference!!!)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Much harder to undo something than it is to stop it.

Don’t undo it, just don’t fund it. No congress is required to continue the perogatives of the previous congress. No funding, no healthcare. Institute a flat tax, and after passage address how much socialism costs everyone. Think there might be a come to Jesus moment there.


5 posted on 03/10/2010 12:21:00 PM PST by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: DJ MacWoW

Since they do not start spending for 4 years after implementation, we could roll it back. My point is, do not feel like we are permanently screwed if it passes. We must keep fighting.


6 posted on 03/10/2010 12:21:33 PM PST by Texas Peartree
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

The easiest thing is DON’T PASS IT. IF it passes, it will be on the books. JUST SAY “NO”.


7 posted on 03/10/2010 12:22:41 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Texas Peartree

No. You’re banking on a majority that will stop. I don’t count on “if” or “maybe”. And the Rinos are as bad as Dems. Spendspendspend.......


8 posted on 03/10/2010 12:24:06 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Maybe it can be repealed in 2012 with a vote based on reconciliation. If the Pubbies defund it - it is dead.


9 posted on 03/10/2010 12:28:06 PM PST by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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To: Texas Peartree

Ultimatley, I dont’ think anyting matters. A majority of the states, thousands of municipalities, thousands of corporations, and tens of millions of citizens will be insolvent twenty-four months from now. The dollar will be a contentious currency. The Federal government will not be able to collect a fraction of the revenues to support the USSA. It’s moot.

Your medical care will be negotiated locally.

Ditto retirement and social services.

They wiped out the current financial system, but not the means of production and the ways of wealth.

We will recover, in a country you won’t recognize from the one of, say, ten years ago.

That stubborn 2nd amendment will be the game changer.


10 posted on 03/10/2010 12:30:51 PM PST by KT22
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To: CharacterCounts

Until we get more progressives in office and it lives again.


11 posted on 03/10/2010 12:40:09 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Texas Peartree
Why do you assume a Republican majority would repeal the Health Bill when they can use it to channel money to their clients?
12 posted on 03/10/2010 12:43:07 PM PST by Grut
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To: Texas Peartree
I love how so wrong the Dems are, they are actually right...

The GOP won't be seen as the "party of no" this year...

Rather...they will be seen as:

The Party of Hell No!

13 posted on 03/10/2010 12:43:18 PM PST by NorCoGOP (Recession: friend loses his job. Depression: You lose your job. Recovery: Obama loses his job.)
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To: Texas Peartree
It would take a lot of whittling to get the foot out of door, and forgetting the need of a sixty vote margin for cloture, this act of Congress amounts to a declaration of war against the American people. The bill's primary problem is how it is built on a fundamental change in the relationship between a citizens and government, making the former into slaves of the latter. It's suppose to be the other way around.

The other side wants to gloss over little details like this, and they try to pooh pooh it away, just like they pooh pooh away everything else that's unique and good about American freedom.

I think expecting a response in kind after a declaration of war like this is not too much to expect. It would mean recourse to the need for a representative government to require political will is no longer necessary in this government, that the self-continuity and feather-bedding of federal, state and municipal employees enjoy a new a sovereign property right over my productivity.

In short, I say it's "spinach," and I say, "to hell with it!"

14 posted on 03/10/2010 12:43:59 PM PST by Prospero (non est ad astra mollis e terris via)
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To: Texas Peartree

TOLL-FREE PHONE CALLING

1-800-828-0498

1-866-220-0044

These toll free arrangements were set up by Obamuniust organizations to support (pause for sticking out tongue) “health” “care” “reform.” Use them! After all, they are free! . At the first number you must wait through a brief Obamunist tape recording. Just hang on and when the recording is over, you will get the Capitol operator. Just ask for your Rep or Senator’s office. Then you will either talk to an aide or have the chance to leave a message for him/her to vote NO on the health care bill.

When you use the second number and the Capitol operator comes on, just ask for your Rep or Senator’s office

1-800-828-0498
1-866-220-0044

“Code Red” – Tennessee Democrat Congressmen Targeted

Never mind about the so-called “fixit bill”: the way to defeat Obamacare is is by defeating the Senate bill in the House when it goes to the floor for an up-or-down vote on Thursday, March 18th.

PLEASE CALL ………....... WASHINGTON DC ..….. LOCAL DISTRICT …..…
Rep. Lincoln Davis 202-225-6831 Columbia office: 931-490-8699
Rep. Jim Cooper 202-225-4311 Nashville office: 615-736-5295
Rep. Bart Gordon 202-225-4231 Murfreesboro office: 615-896-1986
Rep. John S. Tanner 202-225-4714 Jackson office: 731-423-4848
Rep. Steve Cohen 202-225-3265 Memphis office: 901-544-4131


15 posted on 03/10/2010 12:50:31 PM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: CharacterCounts
Maybe it can be repealed in 2012 with a vote based on reconciliation. If the Pubbies defund it - it is dead.

Until a Democrat Congress comes along and re-funds it. This undead provision would be insane. Moreover, the liberty stifling provisions of the bill are more than enough to be problematic, even without funding to the "public option".

16 posted on 03/10/2010 12:54:20 PM PST by Seņor Zorro ("The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"--Qui-Gon Jinn)
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To: Texas Peartree

It’s like cancer: the sooner you kill it, the better.


17 posted on 03/10/2010 1:23:19 PM PST by Nateman (If liberals aren't screaming you're doing it wrong.)
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To: Nateman

“It’s like cancer: the sooner you kill it, the better.”

Yes, but IF it passes, we must keep fighting to repeal it before the “benefits” start to flow and some people have a more vested interest in continuing it.


18 posted on 03/10/2010 1:56:03 PM PST by Texas Peartree
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To: Texas Peartree; FBD; stephenjohnbanker; TheConservativeParty
The miserable 'Rats have enjoyed using the term, "mandate".
Fine.

ALL conservative candidates running in 2010 must declare they're running on a platform that should HealthScare pass? Their election mandates they repeal HealthScare at all costs.
Period.

The filthy leftist SOBs & their sycophant mediots can scream all they want but the PEOPLE will have spoken visa vi their votes.

Should the leftist-socialist-communists try any crap it'll be once again be defying the will of the people. Only this time they'll not have a leg to stand nor a scintilla of propaganda to spin.

THAT is our only chance should this *thing*, somehow, make it through.

19 posted on 03/10/2010 2:05:26 PM PST by Landru (Forget the pebble Grasshopper, just leave.)
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To: Landru

Hiya Pal!

1) If it passes, it is unconstitutional.

2) 37 states are working on a law to opt out of federal Osama-Care.


20 posted on 03/10/2010 2:18:01 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
"1) If it passes, it is unconstitutional.

True.
Until someone, thing or body successfully challenges it, not before.

"2) 37 states are working on a law to opt out of federal Osama-Care."

True.
Though if you think that tact will scare this pack of merry Bolsheviks you've another think coming. The states are so badly addicted to fed monies, they're finished before they start. UNLESS, a state's willing to forgo all federal funding whatsoever. What're the odds of that happening with 75% or more of these states? :o)

And there'll various EOs along the way, going on under the radar no less also. Not sure EOs can be challenged by anything.

Right now, March 2010? Those who're plugged-in could really use some genuine hope, pal. B&W hope in the form of blood promises made by right-wing candidates. Declarations that in no uncertain terms they pledge to reverse any & all of this nonsense, IF it passes.

If a majority of the electorate doesn't already know what's up by now? How they're to be heavily taxed 4-5 years BEFORE realizing any benefit? We're all dead broke and there is no more left while in debt for decades as it is.?
They sure will have heard the word by the time the Right candidates finished, and that's the point.

Let's find out once & for finally exactly what the American people want. Let's find out exactly how plugged-in the American people really are. Let's make the 2010 election a referendum. Let those would-be candidates tell US they're going to right this monstrous wrong at all costs and even more importantly, why. Let us all see if our candidates know what the hell they're trying to do for *us*.

Not the SOS.

21 posted on 03/10/2010 3:30:19 PM PST by Landru (Forget the pebble Grasshopper, just leave.)
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To: Landru

“Though if you think that tact will scare this pack of merry Bolsheviks you’ve another think coming.”

Nope, correct. Obama is out to destroy the country. Nothing else matters.


22 posted on 03/10/2010 3:32:21 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: Landru

They are gonna push this through, by hook or by crook.
-and there won’t be enough votes next year to over-ride a veto.


23 posted on 03/12/2010 7:31:30 AM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger then yours)
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