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Toyota: Runaway Prius Guy Jim Sikes Is Balloon-Boy 2
Business Insider ^ | March 15, 2010 | Henry Blodget

Posted on 03/15/2010 11:57:14 PM PDT by hamboy

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To: Yo-Yo

You’re operating under a false assumption & clearly do not know how the Prius braking system works. Hint, it doesn’t work like a normal car. Read up some & you’ll change your mind, I think.


41 posted on 03/17/2010 8:13:19 PM PDT by driveserve
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To: driveserve

They didn’t snub me posterior orifice. If any snubbing was done it was me to the UAW since I “snubbed” them and moved on with my life, which by the way, jerk, is my right or anyone elses for that matter. I was making some observations on how the UAW reacts to situations it doesn’t like. Too bad you’re too stupid to understand the written word, and worse that you can’t simply ask for clarification which I’d been happy to have provided. I suggest you go back in the bathroom with your copy of Hustler and really satisfy yourself. I suppose that this response to you could be construed as a “snub”. Have a nice day limp wrist.


42 posted on 03/18/2010 2:46:57 AM PDT by RushLake (Liberalism/Progressivism--Domestic terrorism financed by your tax dollars.)
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To: driveserve
You’re operating under a false assumption & clearly do not know how the Prius braking system works. Hint, it doesn’t work like a normal car. Read up some & you’ll change your mind, I think.

Instead of a flip and holier-than-thou response, why don't you try to explain what part I got wrong from the Toyota press release which stated:

The Prius braking system uses both conventional hydraulic friction brakes and a regenerative braking system which switches the electric drive motors into brakes to generate electricity.

The system features a sophisticated self- protection function which cuts engine power if moderate brake pedal pressure is applied and the accelerator pedal is depressed more than approximately 50 percent, in effect providing a form of “brake override.”

This function, which is intended to protect the system from overload and possible damage, was found to be functioning normally during the preliminary field examination.

Now, what part of the Toyota Prius braking system do I not understand?

43 posted on 03/18/2010 4:41:11 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

The part where you want me to explain to you how it works. Like I said, read up (do the work) & you’ll change your mind, I think. If you read Toyota’s response correctly. you’ll see it’s all there. How’s that for flip?


44 posted on 03/18/2010 11:36:21 PM PDT by driveserve
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To: RushLake

Well, I guess you showed them. Serves them right seeing how they really missed such a gem. No need for clarification, by the way. You’re quite an open page.


45 posted on 03/18/2010 11:41:04 PM PDT by driveserve
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To: driveserve

Clymer.


46 posted on 03/19/2010 4:13:11 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: driveserve
Too bad you're too stupid to understand the message then being as how there's no need for clarification. You UAW goons really have no reason to get all angry. Your boy is in the White House, you own two car companies, it doesn't look like you're going to get hurt with Maobamacare. Regardless, there's still a lot of venom flowing from you guys. Hard to fathom.

I note that your union reached agreement with Toyota over the buy out packages associated with shutting down NUMMI. The only thing that would have made things better, IMO, would have been if you could have gotten your car company, the "new" GM to maintain the arrangements with Toyota. Your brothers and sisters wouldn't have had to take those buy outs.

47 posted on 03/19/2010 12:18:53 PM PDT by RushLake (Liberalism/Progressivism--Domestic terrorism financed by your tax dollars.)
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To: SmartInsight

>>...he is not appearing on TV, he has nothing to gain.<<<

Really? Where did the picture come from? What are those microphone looking thingees in the picture?

>>...he is NOT planning to file a lawsuit...<<

Based on the facts as they are coming out, and emphasizing your comment uses the present tense, I agree with you. Based on what happened that first day, I have no doubt whatsoever that this was a ploy for a nice fat lawsuit settlement. None whatsoever. And when you check the guy’s track record, it only supports that position.

I think what he is planning to do now is keep himself out of prison for attemting to defame Toyota. If I were them, I’d go for the jugular.


48 posted on 03/19/2010 1:33:00 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: SmartInsight

In the article it said he depressed them in a way that overrides the automatic safety feature.


49 posted on 03/19/2010 1:34:27 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Yo-Yo; driveserve

Actually, in the story in the OP:

“Toyota Motor Corp. said Monday it believes the driver of a Prius involved in a high-speed incident on a California highway repeatedly pressed the brake and accelerator, apparently defeating a system that can prevent unintended acceleration.”

Why is a guy, trying to stop his car, depressing the accelerator multiple times - the same accelerator he said he reached down and tried to pull up because it was “stuck to the floor” even though he would have needed the arms of a chimpanzee to even touch the front of the pedal?


50 posted on 03/19/2010 1:48:01 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: RushLake

Based on the “feel” of your reply, I’d say you are getting in touch with your Inner UAW self. ;)

Please, I’m just funnin’ ya. :)


51 posted on 03/19/2010 1:49:45 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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Toyota knows how often the brakes were pressed because the Prius has an onboard black box, the EDR. Because the Prius is a hybrid, it is one of the few cars that also measures how hard the brakes are being applied, so the energy management system knows when to apply the brakes, and when the drag from the electric motor recharging the batteries is enough stopping power the driver wants. I believe that data is also stored in the EDR, but was not released.

I like Toyotas. I owned a '91 Camry that lasted 200K miles. But I've also previously driven a company Oldsmobile Bravada, vintage 1990, that one day the brake pedal sank right to the floor, with nothing happening. I briefly panicked, then released the brake and pressed it again. This time the brakes worked fine. It also happened to two other coworkers on two other occasions. The dealership never found anything wrong with the brakes or the antilock brake system, but there was an intermittant problem that three of us experienced once in 3 years of driving that vehicle.

Maybe the guy is scamming, but it is also very possible with the 100% drive-by-wire Prius to have a computer glitch that sticks the throttle.

At least my Jeep Liberty still has a throttle cable attached to the throttle body butterfly, so even though it's electronically controlled, there is still a mechanical way to starve the engine of air. With the Prius, it's all electronic.

52 posted on 03/19/2010 2:53:54 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

If it was one thing against this guy, this could be “reasonably argued”. It is many things. The evidence against the guy is quite damning. His position holds no water whatsoever.

I agree with everything you said regarding the possibility of problems. The issue you talked about in the Olds is a single problem. For this guy, there would have had to be not only catastrophic failure of multiple systems, but both electronic and mechanical. Plus, the parts do not show evidence of what he said happened. This thing just fails on a myriad of levels.


53 posted on 03/19/2010 3:41:34 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: RobRoy
Solidarity Fornever!

Cheers!

54 posted on 03/19/2010 4:56:22 PM PDT by RushLake (Liberalism/Progressivism--Domestic terrorism financed by your tax dollars.)
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To: RushLake

Now you’re just being silly.


55 posted on 03/20/2010 10:51:30 PM PDT by driveserve
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To: RobRoy

Bingo! He couldn’t, you couldn’t, no one could save Tarzan’s chimp (although I’m sure he’d drive a Hummer), reach that pedal. Besides, 250+ brake applications? Sorry give-him-the-benefit-of-the-doubt-ers, he’s lying scumbag.


56 posted on 03/20/2010 11:25:51 PM PDT by driveserve
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To: driveserve

Well if I were, I’d be trespassing on your perogative I suppose.


57 posted on 03/21/2010 7:15:17 AM PDT by RushLake (Liberalism/Progressivism--Domestic terrorism financed by your tax dollars.)
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