Posted on 04/29/2010 9:14:44 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
The Founders...by placing the words natural born..in the Constitution.
does it have standing..
II. Natural, Common, and Civil Law.Natural law belongs to all animals. Yet there is no such thing as natural born citizenship for animals, only men. So natural born citizen cannot be a natural law. Therefore it has to be common or civil law according to the source you cited.The law of nature is that law which nature teaches to all animals. For this law does not belong exclusively to the human race, but belongs to all animals, whether of the earth, the air, or the water. Hence comes the union of the male and female, which we term matrimony; hence the procreation and bringing up of children. We see, indeed, that all the other animals besides men are considered as having knowledge of this law.
It could be an unwritten law.
9. The unwritten law is that which usage has established; for ancient customs, being sanctioned by the consent of those who adopt them, are like laws.You left out the important part of the following quote.
11. The laws of nature, which all nations observe alike, being established by a divine providence, remain ever fixed and immutable. But the laws which every state has enacted, undergo frequent changes, either by the tacit consent of the people, or by a new law being subsequently passed.God says who is a natural man. Man says who is a natural born citizen.
Obama lost his UK citizenship when Kenya became independent in 1963.
2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya. is on llth December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall. if his father becomes. or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1). become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December. 1963.
http://kenya.rcbowen.com/constitution/chap6.html#87
I believe that's correct according to Kenya's laws but not the U.K.'s laws. According to everything I have read, his British citizenship remains intact.
I *think* that Kenya doesn't allow dual citizenship. If that's correct, then according to Kenya, Obama would also lose his U.S. citizenship. But foreign laws don't affect our citizenship laws.
Kenya doesn't allow dual citizenship, and Obama's father would've had to renounce his UK citizenship and swear allegiance to Kenya. It is clear that Obama doesn't have Kenyan citizenship.
According to this UK source, Obama lost his British citizenship when his father did. (Was there an agreement between the UK and Kenya regarding citizenship after the transition?)
However, the boy who became president lost his British citizenship when Kenya formally gained its independence from Britain on December 11 1963.
The same source also has an interesting reading of the NBC clause in the Constitution:
But the constitution actually states: "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the office of president."
This means the original nationality of an American child's parents does not impact on citizenship if the child is born in the US.
http://www.politics.co.uk/news/foreign-policy/could-president-obama-be-british-probably-not-$1344518.htm
Open your eyes. It is pure genius.”
What are you talking about? While I can agree that vaginal delivery is natural born, and I suppose one could construe that as God's law, or will, or whatever, what does any of that have to do with the non-Bibilical term “natural born citizen?” Are we now arguing that people delivered via Cesarean aren't eligible to be President either?
Since no one can enter the kingdom of God except through Jesus, and no one can accept Jesus for another, but each person must do it for himself, wouldn't that make all citizens in the kingdom of God naturalized?
I suppose that would depend on what the Constitution of Heaven says, now wouldn’t it? LOL.
Of course, it also makes sense that you can’t be a “natural born citizen” of Heaven, since the top job isn’t supposed to be open, right? LOL again.
One guy thought he'd like to run for the top spot - he not only lost, but he lost his citizenship as well.
I guess that's the sort of thing that can happen when you don't have a long-form birth certificate lying around handy.
Good response.
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