The courts have focused on NBC from the perspective of allegiance. The idea that Barry feels any loyalty of any kind for the UK is laughable.
Yes, he could move to England and declare himself a subject of the Queen - but he hasn’t, has he.
And we fought a war over the idea that another country cannot force an American to be a citizen of their country against his will.
No court will ever rule that Barry is a British subject. Nor will any ever rule that he has divided loyalties to the US because his father was British, and then Kenyan. It is as silly as saying that my sister has divided loyalties to Germany because she was born there.
Barack Obama needs to be beaten on ideas, and in politics. If you have evidence he was born abroad, THEN you could beat him in the courts and Congress too.
Otherwise, you’re pissing in the wind. When Barry visited England, no one in England thought he was now a British subject since he set foot on English soil. Had anyone tried, we would have gone to war, as we did in 1812, to reject that idea.
And if we fought a war to reject the idea in 1812, do you think we have revoked our position since? No! Any government can claim anyone they want as a citizen, but if they are a US citizen, it doesn’t make it so.
And I can’t think of anyone on the planet who is LESS a British subject that Barry Obama. He hates the UK with passion. Sorry, but that argument ain’t going anywhere.
The allegiance of which the courts speak is allegiance that is owed by the subject not allegiance that is felt by the subject. "Subject to the jurisdiction thereof" is an essential phrase. I agree that Obama doesn't feel any allegiance to the U.K. and has clearly demonstrated his utter contempt for the U.K., but his feelings don't change the circumstances of his birth as a British citizen.
And we fought a war over the idea that another country cannot force an American to be a citizen of their country against his will.
Very true. However, that was based on American citizens residing in America being forced to obey the laws of another country.
No court will ever rule that Barry is a British subject. Nor will any ever rule that he has divided loyalties to the US because his father was British, and then Kenyan. It is as silly as saying that my sister has divided loyalties to Germany because she was born there.
Agreed. The courts will not issue a ruling on Obama's British citizenship or allegiance owed to the U.K.
If your sister was born in Germany to U.S. citizens, then she is a natural born citizen. She may or may not be a natural born citizen for Constitutional purposes and eligible to hold the office of POTUS. We don't know because the courts haven't ruled definitively on that.
Barack Obama needs to be beaten on ideas, and in politics. If you have evidence he was born abroad, THEN you could beat him in the courts and Congress too. Otherwise, you’re pissing in the wind.7 FAM 1131.6-2 Eligibility for Presidency
(TL:CON-68; 04-01-1998)
a. It has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural born citizen within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution and, therefore, eligible for the Presidency.
d. (snip) In any event, the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes.
Agreed. I believe he was born in Hawaii. Agreed.
When Barry visited England, no one in England thought he was now a British subject since he set foot on English soil. Had anyone tried, we would have gone to war, as we did in 1812, to reject that idea.
Stepping foot on British soil does not somehow activate his British citizenship. He was born a British citizen. But in the scenario you presented, visiting is the keyword. Obama's primary country of residence (U.S.) has dominion over him.
Any government can claim anyone they want as a citizen, but if they are a US citizen, it doesn’t make it so.
Yes, it does. However, I will stipulate that U.S. citizenship is not affected by another country's citizenship laws.
7 FAM 081 SUMMARY
(CT:CON-106; 06-06-2005)
d. International law recognizes that each country determines who is a national of that country.