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SWAG on Iraqi Armor Distribution
Montrose Toast Blog ^ | 19 July 2010 | DJ Elliott

Posted on 07/18/2010 9:32:38 PM PDT by DJ Elliott

DISCLAIMER: What follows, while based on known Iraqi armor orders, is an extrapolation. A prediction based on incomplete data. If 60 percent turns out correct, it will be considered good. The speculation article on Iraqi Armor orders only projected to 2014 and did not specify which divisions would be upgraded beyond the known. This article projects to 2020 and includes a possible sequence of division upgrades.

The Iraqi Army appears to be adopting the US Army’s modular heavy brigade combat team (HBCT) structure with modifications. Tank companies are only 11 tanks vice 14; In place of Bradley ICV/CFVs, they are using M-113s, BMP-1s, or BTR-4s; The brigade field artillery is only 1 battery of howitzers supported by 3 batteries of 120mm mortars; and trucks are being used for resupply vehicles vice M-113s.

US Armor Equipped Divisions

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TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: armor; army; federalpolice; iraq
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1 posted on 07/18/2010 9:32:40 PM PDT by DJ Elliott
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To: SandRat

FYI


2 posted on 07/18/2010 9:33:31 PM PDT by DJ Elliott (IS1(SW), USN(Ret), Montrose Toast Blog)
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To: DJ Elliott

Meanwhile the US Army continues on the road to Hell in wheeled, road and trail bound CrapMobiles. The M113s which would work quite well in Afganistan and get out people off the roads and trails... Well we are selling them to the Iranian Proxy State of Iraq as well as our M1 Tanks..

Our Flag Officers are worse than idiots.. end of story.

W


3 posted on 07/19/2010 6:40:43 AM PDT by WLR (Remember 911 Remember 91 Iran delinda est.)
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To: WLR
Respectfully disagree. The M113 series vehicle would not be an improvement in Afghanistan for the same reason we have challenges with the HMMWV...inability to up-armor without the weight degrading performance and vehicle life, and the flat hull low to the ground takes the kinetic energy of a hit right into the crew compartment. They have uses, but will not solve our mobility problems in theater.

The Abrams? Well, we'll have to maintain them (Arabs don't “do” maintenance) train tank crews, and supply repair parts which essentially guarantees we will maintain positive control over the Iraqi M1 formations...otherwise they will be deadlined in a motor pool a week after we leave them...

regards,

4 posted on 07/19/2010 8:18:07 AM PDT by Thunder 6
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To: WLR

You are aware that the M113 is more suseptable to mines and has been relegated to logistics roles for years as they were being replaced by Bradleys?

Flat bottom traps the blast and fuel-tank location turns it into an incenerator for troops.

That was learned in Vietnam which is why the Bradley has been replacing them every since. This is just getting rid of the last 6,000 fire-traps.

M113 has no better armor than the Bradley’s replacing them [or the Stryker that is motorizing the Lt Inf] and that combination of flat-bottom and fuel-tank makes them particularly suceptible to mines [aka IEDs].


5 posted on 07/19/2010 4:12:17 PM PDT by DJ Elliott
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To: Thunder 6

Bingo.

Something that a lot of people just do not get.
We are wedding their primary capabilities to our support and thus controling them...


6 posted on 07/19/2010 4:14:59 PM PDT by DJ Elliott
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To: DJ Elliott

Well, once in a while a DAT gets it right ;)

regards,


7 posted on 07/19/2010 4:30:59 PM PDT by Thunder 6
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To: Thunder 6

lol.

I would expect a DAT to get it right.
After all, you know first hand what a maintenance hog tracks are, they are almost as bad as the ships I served on.
You also know the flaws in those tracks.
And you know the ME mentality towards maintenance.

V/r


8 posted on 07/19/2010 9:36:05 PM PDT by DJ Elliott (USN Retired)
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