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The Myth of US High Speed Rail
My Blog - Simply Shrug ^ | July 26, 2010 | PugetSoundSoldier

Posted on 07/25/2010 6:38:48 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier

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To: PugetSoundSoldier
Two words:

PEAK OIL

Amtrak ridership will continue to increase whether you like it or not.

101 posted on 07/26/2010 5:55:25 PM PDT by Willie Green ("Some people march to the beat of a different drum - and some people polka")
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To: PugetSoundSoldier; driftdiver
Only because of bookkeeping accounting tricks

That is what I said in my post. If you read it, you wouldn't be lumping me in with Willie. I was trying to tell him he was full of shit. You just did it way better than I did.

102 posted on 07/26/2010 7:08:02 PM PDT by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: Semper911; PugetSoundSoldier

I took that as an FYI ping and not directed at you.


103 posted on 07/26/2010 7:26:17 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Willie Green

“Amtrak ridership will continue to increase whether you like it or not.”

Well it couldn’t get much lower.


104 posted on 07/26/2010 7:27:15 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Willie Green
You're wrong.

Learned from the Steam-engine Willie school of debating techniques

105 posted on 07/26/2010 7:34:27 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: Semper911

Totally, it wasn’t to lump you in with fantasy-land Willie at all. Just some fleshed out concepts that I know Willie will ignore, but others may glean some education from.

High speed rail in the US makes ZERO economic sense. If it happens, it happens simply for political reasons only. Because someone wants a jobs bill, or wants to “be like Europe” or some other nonsense.

FWIW, there is a high speed train between Shanghai and Xiamen; it takes about 7 hours and costs 500 RMB. I looked at it for this Thursday’s trip down to Southern China. But considering a business class airplane ticket costs 650 RMB (about $20 more), and takes about 80 minutes, well, I can now fly down in the morning, do my 5-6 hours of work, then fly back. All in one day, versus a minimum 1 night stay in Xiamen if I went via train.

Xiamen’s a beautiful city, but I’m not looking to vacation right now...


106 posted on 07/26/2010 7:38:54 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

They always want to force me to ride public transportation, but they never put a bus that will take me where I want to go, when I want to go there.


107 posted on 07/26/2010 7:42:08 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Hitler Was Their Fate and their Fate Could Not Be Stayed. Von Braustitch.)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
THAT is density. Think Manhattan and go UP in density from there. That's the density required to make trains economically viable. Twenty thousand people per square mile or more.

FYI, in 1865, when the first NYC subway opened, Manhattan's population density was 35K per square mile. It is now 70K per square mile. Most Chinese cities are like the biggest American cities, ex-NYC, in terms of population density - closer to Long Island than NYC. Shanghai's population density is only 7K per sq mile. Beijing's is 3.4K per sq mile. Bombay and Madras are far more densely populated, with 59K and 69K per sq mile respectively. Again, just FYI.

108 posted on 08/01/2010 10:37:59 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: Zhang Fei

Shanghai’s only that low-density if you include Jiading, Baoshan, Minhang, and Pudong, all of which have thousands of acres of undeveloped land waiting for more people. AND then tack on the outer suburbs (Songjiang, Fengxian, etc) and the islands (Chongming).

It would be like taking Los Angeles and including all of Ventura County and Riverside County in the density calculation. Yeah, it’s “only an hour” to those areas, but they’re well outside of the urban core.

Get inside Shanghai “proper” (inside the Puxi area - the core 9 districts inside the A20 ring road) which is 281 square kilometers, about 110 square miles, and you’re over 28,000 per square kilometer, which would be about 72,000 per square mile (2.56 square kilometers per square mile).

And I think yesterday nearly all of them were on lines 2 and 9 as I traversed Shanghai...


109 posted on 08/01/2010 11:18:34 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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