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Does it Pay to Go to Law School ?
Political Calculations ^ | 07/25/2010

Posted on 07/25/2010 7:27:54 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

The Frugal Law Student was wondering earlier this year if law school is really worth the extra cost it takes to go:

Given the economic crisis that is going on, the difficulty new lawyers are having getting jobs, and the soaring cost of law school, I’m doing a little analysis to see if law school is worth it for many prospective students. A lot of people go into graduate or professional school believing the debt and time spent will pay off in a more rewarding/higher paying career. While this may be happen for some, it’s by no means a guarantee.

The Frugal Law Student then runs through a couple of scenarios, but we thought that discussion might be improved by adding a visual touch, which we've done by creating charts that project the lifetime income-earning trajectories for a regular bachelor degree holder who enters the U.S. workforce at Age 22 versus a bachelor degree holder who goes on to law school before entering the workforce at Age 25.

Bachelors Degree vs Law Degree Post-Graduation Direct Income Trajectory Comparison We'll base the lifetime income trajectory for our bachelor-degree holder on our model of the inflation-adjusted income that the average bachelor-degree holder saw between 1997 and 2007, assuming the average 2010 starting salary of $48,351, as reported by CNBC.

We've assumed that our hypothetical law student will earn an average of $10,000 more per year than our hypothetical average bachelor-degree holding income earner. That extra income comes at a cost however, in that we assume an average annual cost of $20,000 for law school, covering three years, in which our bachelor-degree holding law student also gives up the opportunity to have a real job. Law schools typically cost an average of $20,000 for state law schools, while private school's average $30,000 per year.

Attending a "prestige" institution can cost quite a bit more than those figures.

That extra $10,000 per year though is reasonable given that Payscale.com shows the typical range of annual salary for lawyers to run between $58,944 and $119,386.

Bachelors Degree vs Law Degree Post-Graduation Cumulative Income Comparison By comparison, our hypothetical bachelor-degree holder would see their salary range between $48,351 and $101,884.

But the real story is found in our cumulative comparison between the income earned by a bachelor-degree holder and the additional direct cost and opportunity cost for a law student.

Here, we find that even with the benefit of an additional $10,000 per year once they do enter the workforce, the lawyer doesn't catch up to the regular bachelor-degree holder until Age 57. And there is very little additional net benefit in the additional 10 years we show beyond that age to reach Social Security's full retirement age of 67.

We'll conclude with the bottom line offered by the American Bar Association's 2009 paper "The Value Proposition of Attending Law School", emphasis ours:

The combination of the rising cost of a legal education and the realities of the legal job market mean that going to law school may not pay off for a large number of law students. Dean David Van Zandt of Northwestern Law School estimates that to make a positive return on the investment of going to law school, given the current costs, the average law student must earn an average annual salary of at least $65,315.12 As the data above show, however, over 40% of law school graduates have starting salaries below this threshold. Thus, many students start out in a position from which it may be difficult to recoup their investment in legal education. Even students who do ultimately prosper over the course of a career face difficulties from high debt loads during the beginning of their career. High debt can limit career choices, prevent employment in the public service sector, or delay home ownership or marriage. In short, going to law school can bring more financial difficulty than many law students expect.

The lack of financial return, of course, does not mean that it is not valuable to go to law school. Many lawyers receive intrinsic benefits from a satisfying career that cannot easily be quantified. It does mean, however, that students should think twice before going to law school simply for the money. All too often, students who bank on reaping a positive financial return from law school lose out.

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1 posted on 07/25/2010 7:27:56 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: esquirette

ping


2 posted on 07/25/2010 7:29:15 PM PDT by RightField (A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If I could do it all over again, I would skip law school, move to Seattle and make friends with Bill Gates.


3 posted on 07/25/2010 7:30:20 PM PDT by PackerBoy (Just my opinion ....)
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To: SeekAndFind

I like to “visualize bankrupt trial lawyers”.

During a quality meditation session, I can actually picture them living in cardboard boxes under a highway overpass.


4 posted on 07/25/2010 7:30:55 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: SeekAndFind
If I would have been born a female perhaps I could have been a successful whore. Since I was a male working for free anyway, I decided to become a lawyer.
5 posted on 07/25/2010 7:37:07 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: SeekAndFind

I would say yes. 3 years of Law School is good for anyone. There will soon be so many laws we will need lawyers for everything just to figure them out.
Go for it.


6 posted on 07/25/2010 7:42:00 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (m)
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To: PackerBoy

“If I could do it all over again, I would skip law school, move to Seattle and make friends with Bill Gates.”

Buy WMT decades ago you said?


7 posted on 07/25/2010 7:48:10 PM PDT by mainsail that ("A man will fight harder for his interests than for his rights" - Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: SeekAndFind

In law more than medicine the quality of your school means a lot in influencing your eventual income.

Also it’s much better to do something you enjoy, rather than try to do something you don’t like in an effort to earn more money.


8 posted on 07/25/2010 7:48:21 PM PDT by devere
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To: mainsail that
Buy WMT decades ago you said?

Might as well have put it all in white-out and carbon paper.

9 posted on 07/25/2010 7:50:38 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: kbennkc

I meant Walmart :) http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=WMT+Interactive#chart1:symbol=wmt;range=my;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined


10 posted on 07/25/2010 7:55:45 PM PDT by mainsail that ("A man will fight harder for his interests than for his rights" - Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: PackerBoy

Interesting. In the state of Washington one doers not need to attend law school in order to obtain a license to practice law.


11 posted on 07/25/2010 7:56:20 PM PDT by stormer
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To: SeekAndFind

Hmm, the financial analysis looks interesting but it is meaningless. To quote Niels Bohr, “Prediction is difficult, particularly when it’s about the future.”

To make a secure income, the work needs to require one on one attention, like a dentist. Read the Black Swan. To get wealthy you need to get lucky.


12 posted on 07/25/2010 7:58:46 PM PDT by LeGrande (Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial.)
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To: stormer

Thats true. But it is very rare for someone to actually do what is required (several years of interning with a real lawyer) in order to qualify to sit for the Bar Exam.

If I could do it all again, I’d go to medical school.


13 posted on 07/25/2010 7:58:53 PM PDT by Astronaut
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To: SeekAndFind

My son graduated from law school a year ago and after working as a clerk for a judge for a year has just been hired by a large law firm for a 6 figure salary. Of course he has large school loans and worked very hard to graduate magna cum laude and 5th in his class, but I think worth all his work.


14 posted on 07/25/2010 7:59:49 PM PDT by The Great RJ (The Bill of Rights: Another bill members of Congress haven't read.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I think a law degree opens a wide variety of doors. It in many ways is like an MBA. A generalist degree with many applications.

If I ever go for a doctorate, it will be a PhD in Economics, a DBA, or a Juris Doctor.

15 posted on 07/25/2010 8:00:20 PM PDT by magellan
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To: mainsail that
Yes, I know. I trained puppies and lined birdcages with the WSJ for about 40 years, some of it stuck.
16 posted on 07/25/2010 8:01:49 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: SeekAndFind

bookmark. For my HS freshman daughter who wants to go military law.

She knows she wants to be JAG at age 14, I didn’t know what I wanted to do with my life until I was 25. YIKES!


17 posted on 07/25/2010 8:02:39 PM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: SeekAndFind

No, it’s not worth it.

But I heartily encourage liberals to waste their money becoming lawyers.


18 posted on 07/25/2010 8:04:22 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (The NAACP is a bunch of cracker-hating bigots and I condemn the NAACP for being a racist element.)
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To: stormer
"Interesting. In the state of Washington one doers not need to attend law school in order to obtain a license to practice law." True of quite a few Western states. Lincoln never went to law school, he "read law."
19 posted on 07/25/2010 8:06:16 PM PDT by cookcounty ("Today's White House reporters seem one ball short of a ping pong scrimmage.")
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To: mainsail that
Buy WMT decades ago you said? Subaru, walmart, apple, microsoft. Yeah, and I put my late 70's and very early 80's paper rout money in GM, GE, ford and pepsi. Only pepsi has been worthwhile. If I had put one years worth of paper route profits into an IPO subaru drip, i'd be retired living FAT at age 44.
20 posted on 07/25/2010 8:08:32 PM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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