Posted on 07/30/2010 8:41:52 AM PDT by Jack Black
You may be right about the outcome of the fight itself, if there is one, but I think you're wrong about the death of socialism and statism. They're just symptoms that spring inevitably from certain weaknesses in human nature. That's why the Founding Fathers tried to build so many obstacles to them. It was a danger they saw repeated throughout history. A CWII wouldn't alter human nature.
Take her on a trip through the southern tier of NY state. Some nice country here, reliably red, but outvoted by the urbs.
If taxes are a concern, be a snowbird.
An economic collapse could, conceivably, lead to a civil war, though a civil war is not inevitable, nor even a very likely result of that collapse. Riots would make sense, but not war. Were it to happen, however, it probably would create the sort of sides that Mr. Bracken suggests.
There is some merit to the general idea that a war might have a distinct ethnic/socioeconomic cast, but the details are what matter, and they're not spelled out. What's important there, however, is the concentration of populations. If one side is defined by poor/color, those people will be concentrated in urban areas.
As usual, the actual contours of such a war would be defined by logistics; in particular, food, water, resources, and manufacturing capabilities.
Manufacturing is in urban areas; but the people who would be fighting on the poor/color side would not be employed in those industries, and the infrastructure that feeds them would break down in any case. The ability to wage war would be limited to supplies on hand. Urban areas would quickly be starved out due to the disruption of food and water supplies.
The idea of government control is glossed over -- but the implication that it would support the poor/color side is not remotely convincing.
The real response of government and, more importantly, the military, would be driven by the circumstances of how this supposed war breaks out. If it were to happen at all, it would almost certainly begin in the form of riots on the poor/color side of the equation; and in that case, the government (including the military infrastructure) would come down against the poor/color side.
But really, it's not a convincing scenario in the first place.
Actually, it is almost exactly what the Confederate leaders thought about the North's ability to fight a war. And look how that turned out for them.
You forget that they have a globe full of supporters who want to see the fall of the US, if only just to see it, and maybe shake up the World Order. Once things get rolling, 1-2 million Mexicans start taking over New Mexico, Arizona, Southern California, southern Colorado, and even Western Texas (despite the common Texans' confidence to the contrary). Then Chavez, Putin, Castro (Raul, not Fidel), start sending trained and seasoned men, along with materiel... and foodstuffs from their slave-wage farmers. Kim Jong Il sends men in exchange for foodstuffs for NK. China plays the "mature" card, and happily watches as most of the West eats itself (Europe, without the US military presence stabilizing it, then has its own wars coming within a decade... with Muslim wildcards making things really interesting.)
For those experienced hunters with scoped armss at home who wouldn't mind expressing their intense anger at the decades-long Progressive Movement by applying Rule 308, I merely repeat the adage: beware of what you ask for... you just might get it.
“they would have trouble recruiting and controlling military or police personnel to commit atrocities on the scale needed to cow the population”
Thus Obama’s civilian defense force. Same size and budget of the real military.
We can’t let it get to that point.
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This is why they will bring in foriegn troops. We are in for a very, long hard slog.
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As the "Enemy of the State" these two items combined will make the insurgencies in Iraq & Afghanistan look like cub scouts, especially when you factor in the mass defections and/or sit-out of many LEO and military members, the "oath keepers" if you will.
"Inviting" foreign/UN troops to quell the American People would be an open declaration of war on the American People. Very few countries would likely participate, and those that did would make the declaration too obvious for our own military to tolerate.
Tell that to Zimbabwe
For the Minuteman’s or the Tridents...don’t they require launch/activation codes that REQUIRE a code sent from Washington/Pentagon/Strike Command to enable the warheads?
If ‘rebels’ get a hold of these missiles, without the launch/enable codes, wouldn’t they then be rendered a moot point?
I was under the impression codes were needed to arm that aren't present at the weapon location. Perhaps there's even codes capable of activating a range safety charge or igniting the propellant in place.
In your case, that would seem to be a redundancy. :)
Actually, it's not a redundancy but being specific. It eliminates hittable alligators, wombats, water buffalo, platypi, trees, the crack in the couch...
It may well be. The MSM propagandists are practicing as I type this.
...and as Tijeras Slim pointed out, I omitted all of those who work for the government who will side with the non-payers.
We are perilously close to societal breakdown - I fear.
Invest in precious metal; gold, silver and brass.
Bravo Zulu!!!
Too right. I drove through there yesterday on my way up to Sandpoint and I was lucky to get out of the ghetto alive. When TSHTF it's gonna be the RealTree People versus the Mossy Oak Gang and you wouldn't want to be in the middle. It'll make the carnage at the Cabelas sale displays last Christmas week look like a tea party by comparison.
On a serious note, for those who don't already live in relatively secure territory, have a plan. Do your networking. Have a place to go and get out in time to get there. If there's one commonality in all the civil war scenarios all over the planet it's that you do not want to wind up in a refugee camp.
if push comes to shove, i expect to see MANY bridges coming down, like ALL of the ones going into/out of, DC, NYC, Boston, SanFran, Detroit, Chicago, etc to try and keep the rabble in the cities or at least make it as hard as possible for them to get out...
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