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Debate Ended: Obama Is A Muslim
America Talks ^ | 8/22/10 | David Zublick

Posted on 08/22/2010 12:35:29 PM PDT by AmericaTalks

There has been a firestorm of controversy over the course of the last several days regarding Barack Obama's religious affiliations. This comes in the wake of Obama's endorsement of the mosque scheduled to be built in the shadow of Ground Zero, and a newly released Pew Research Center poll indicating that almost 1 in 5 Americans believe Obama is a Muslim.

In every news account of the Pew survey, it is stated that the results show that people "incorrectly" or "wrongly" believe Obama is a Muslim. But these accounts fail to point out facts which indicate that Obama has an Islamic background, and that according to Islamic law, once a Muslim, always a Muslim.

Here are the facts:

Barack Obama's father was a Muslim, and as such, Barack was born a Muslim under Islamic law as it is understood. This is indisputable. And even though his father supposedly renounced his religion, it is irrelevant. His mother's faith (it is said she was a Christian but this remains in dispute) is also of no consequence.

Obama was raised for a time in Kenya and attended a predominantly Muslim school. Insight Magazine reported that he attended a Madrassa, and, despite some news organizations claiming to have debunked that report, Insight stood by its story.

Obama has made matters worse by refusing to release his long form birth certificate, which has given rise to a theory on the part of "birthers" that there may be something he is trying to conceal with regards to his religious affiliation.

Barack Obama's claim that he converted to Christianity is viewed through the eyes of the Islamic world as a crime worse than murder. In other words, you cannot renounce the Muslim faith.

Obama attended a "Christian" church in Chicago pastor-ed by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, a former Muslim and black nationalist who practiced and preached black liberation theology. In the 20 years Obama spent in that church, he heard sermons that echoed many of the sentiments of the Islamic world toward western society.

During the course of the campaign for the presidency in 2008, Obama attempted to cover up his Islamic background. Subsequent to his election, however, he has proudly professed his Muslim upbringing, and gone out of his way to reach out to and extol the virtues of the Islamic world, with trips to the Middle East, in which he bowed down before the King of Egypt, his willingness to sit down with Islamic leaders of nations that are state sponsors of terror without precondition, and even the appointment of a NASA Administrator, whose primary mission is to reach out to the Muslim community and make them feel good about themselves.

He has also made it the hallmark of his administration to eliminate the war on terror, re-labeling it an overseas contingency operation, and referring to terrorist attacks as man-made disasters. His own Attorney-General refuses to use the term "radical Islam".

Since his presidency began, Obama has not been seen attending any Christian church. He claims he does not want to cause a distraction. Funny how previous presidents have been shown with Bible in hand, walking into their churches, even if it was a deliberate photo opportunity.

And now, there is Obama's blessing on the new mosque being planned near the hallowed ground where nearly 3000 of our fellow citizens were brutally murdered on September 11, 2001.

This has led many Americans to question Obama's leadership, his loyalty, and most importantly, his faith.

Some are attributing the belief by one-fifth of the public that Obama is a Muslim to misinformation by the media, coupled with a growing dissatisfaction with his job performance, attracting them to negative labels.

Yet when he professes to be a Christian, but the evidence shows an empathy for Islam, it becomes clear to many Americans where this president's mindset is planted. In Islam.

The debate has ended. Obama is a Muslim.

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1 posted on 08/22/2010 12:35:34 PM PDT by AmericaTalks
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To: AmericaTalks
Obama was raised for a time in Kenya...

Um, David, I think you meant Indonesia.

2 posted on 08/22/2010 12:39:14 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: AmericaTalks
Whenever the state-run media uses any or all of the following code words...

"Incorrectly."

"Wrongly."

"Unexpectedly."

...they are actively providing cover for Hussein.

3 posted on 08/22/2010 12:39:20 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The only stable state is one in which all men are equal before the law." -- Aristotle)
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To: AmericaTalks

Darn, I was hoping that at least one libtard would have responded with one of their standard non-sequitors.

Oh well, I can wait for my afternoon giggle.


4 posted on 08/22/2010 12:39:20 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: AmericaTalks
In every news account of the Pew survey, it is stated that the results show that people “incorrectly” or “wrongly” believe Obama is a Muslim. But these accounts fail to point out facts which indicate that Obama has an Islamic background, and that according to Islamic law, once a Muslim, always a Muslim.

That's just the lying liberal media giving their opinion instead of reporting facts.

5 posted on 08/22/2010 12:39:57 PM PDT by puppypusher
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To: AmericaTalks

Unless someone can produce pics of him praying on a rug facing East in the Oval Office, I doubt it. However, his support of Islam and their efforts over Israel is very disturbing, something a Christian would never do. Israel is the basis of the Christian faith and destroying Israel would be too tempting for Obama.

He is most definitely a Marxist and is looking to destroy America.


6 posted on 08/22/2010 12:40:23 PM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: AmericaTalks
If you don't mind a suggestion, declaring that the “debate has ended” is the sort of tactic employed by liberals when they really don't want to debate. If you're confidant of the facts, you should be happy to debate.
7 posted on 08/22/2010 12:42:57 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: puppypusher

It is not the liberal media - it is ALL of TV. Every network which owns every cable channel. They all have big deals in the middle east and saudi shareholders.

ObamaCare is the first jizya or Islamic tax on non-muslims. Muslims are exempt from the law.

This is done in Islamic controlled countries, like the USA, where muslims tax non-muslims. There is no doubt Islam is in control of America - all the TV networks support the victory mosque, they all scream Obama is a christian and they all think islam is moderate and tolerant.


8 posted on 08/22/2010 12:43:48 PM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: AmericaTalks

From the article:

“Obama was raised for a time in Kenya...”

Umhhh - “Kenya” is not “Indonesia”.

I have little idea what the Bamster’s religious beliefs are (if he actually has any) - he’s certainly more sympathetic to Muslims than Christians (he can find time for a Ramadan dinner, but blows off the National Prayer Breakfast, as an example).

But it helps to get facts straight if one’s trying to argue a contentious point.


9 posted on 08/22/2010 12:43:49 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: AmericaTalks

OOPS! Obama Slips - Admits Muslim Faith
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2o2fKbLJc8

...luckily an MSM loyalist was there to keep Obama on message.


10 posted on 08/22/2010 12:48:29 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: AmericaTalks

0bama attended a madrassa in Indonesia, he never went to any school (that we know of) in Kenya.

0bama bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, among others, Egypt has a president and a prime minister.


11 posted on 08/22/2010 12:52:37 PM PDT by suboptimal
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
...he bowed down before the King of Egypt...

And I think the author meant Saudi Arabia.

12 posted on 08/22/2010 12:53:18 PM PDT by omega4412
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To: AmericaTalks

Barack Hussein 0bama is a Muslim - there is no doubt about it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2574188/posts?page=86


13 posted on 08/22/2010 12:55:14 PM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: omega4412

LOL. I didn’t read that far as it is a rehash of so many similar articles. He isn’t very well read, is he?


14 posted on 08/22/2010 12:56:16 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom; omega4412

People like this author makes people like us look stupid.


15 posted on 08/22/2010 12:59:48 PM PDT by BBell
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To: AmericaTalks

how many Christians do you know, would say that the prettiest sound they have heard is the muslim call to prayer????


16 posted on 08/22/2010 1:00:43 PM PDT by timetostand (Ya say ya wanna revolution -- OK!)
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To: omega4412; cardinal4

I think Egypt’s last king was the rotund King Farouk, who was deposed about 50 years ago by Gamal Abdel Nasser.


17 posted on 08/22/2010 1:02:13 PM PDT by Ax (Crusades V.9 anyone?)
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To: AmericaTalks

Muslim or not, he’s a big time sympathizer.

And that’s what really matters


18 posted on 08/22/2010 1:02:39 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (NO MOS-que AP: It's the "GROUND ZERO MOSQUE")
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To: puppypusher
Not just 'the lying liberal media' (MSM).

The 'fair and balanced' folks have been unanimous in parroting the 'wrongly' line and Juan Williams led the 'Palin and Limbaugh' chant just a few minutes ago.

19 posted on 08/22/2010 1:05:07 PM PDT by norton
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To: AmericaTalks

On the money. But two or three factual errors need correction to avoid discrediting the argument. He groveled before the government of Egypt, but Egypt has no king. He bowed before the King of Saudi Arabia.

And he likely was BORN in Kenya, though that is not yet absolutely proven, but he was raised as a Muslim in Indonesia.

Also, he did NOT attend a Madrassa, as far as I know. He attended a Catholic school, but was registered there as a Muslim and studied the Koran there.


20 posted on 08/22/2010 1:08:39 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: timetostand
How many Christians do you know, would say that the prettiest sound they have heard is the muslim call to prayer?

Most of my Christian friends say that. Don't yours? /s

And, on the other hand, how many Muslims have you heard say the prettiest sound they have heard is the Twenty Third Psalm or "Silent Night"?

21 posted on 08/22/2010 1:10:00 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: suboptimal
He attended a govt school in Indonesia where Islam was taught. It was not a madrassa. He also attended St Francis of Assisi School where he received instruction in the Catholic Faith. His mother is believed to have been either atheist or agnostic. Nothing in his background demonstrates a belief or training in radical Islam.

Were he a Muslim that would not preclude his being POTUS unless the 1st Amendment has a loophole I'm not familiar with. And he did take the oath on, I believe, Lincoln's Bible. Is he a Marxist? Probably, and that's where the concentration should be.

22 posted on 08/22/2010 1:10:44 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: All

I think the man is a humanist. he has no idea why or how people could get so attached to the idea of God and his son Jesus Christ. I think he actually feels bad for and holds in contempt, people that do.

In the end, he looks down on people that he sat in the pews with for 20+ years and he sees the world through the eyes of a person that has no connection with Christianity other than contempt for it’s morality.


23 posted on 08/22/2010 1:12:55 PM PDT by newnhdad (The longest of journeys begins with one step.)
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To: DownInFlames
Israel is the basis of the Christian faith

Jesus will be deeply saddened to learn this.

24 posted on 08/22/2010 1:14:20 PM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Obama can fool the secular and the athiests and all nominal believers!! God help us!!


25 posted on 08/22/2010 1:15:21 PM PDT by timetostand (Ya say ya wanna revolution -- OK!)
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To: AmericaTalks
Wake The F*CK Up, People. Your liberal friends ARE NOT anyone that YOU can trust with your life or your family's life.

The only LIBERALS that have a chance are the WEALTHY elitists, not those who think that they are rich. Believe me, I know. The rest are sitting around pontificating their orifice. Walk away and don't look back. Get ready!

26 posted on 08/22/2010 1:15:35 PM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: AmericaTalks
Zero is not a Muslim, but he is a committed Marxist.

As a Marxist, he shares the ultimate goals of the Muslim jihadists: "the fundamental transformation of America", which he blatantly admitted just a few days before the election in 2008. He must be stopped by any means necessary. If we're not successful on 11/2, then we may be finished as a nation unless we consider opening the '3rd box'.

27 posted on 08/22/2010 1:16:18 PM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: AmericaTalks

The people claiming he is not Muslim are the same Liberals that lie about everything else. I do not believe a word they say.


28 posted on 08/22/2010 1:18:02 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (m)
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To: Stosh
But it helps to get facts straight . . .

Hey, Stosh, give the guy a break -- remember, we're talking about Barack Obama here.

There are no "facts" -- everything is "best guess."
29 posted on 08/22/2010 1:21:26 PM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: AmericaTalks

If he isn´t a muslim then why his perpetual support of islamism?


30 posted on 08/22/2010 1:34:17 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: BBell

You are right. And, when someone writes and publishes an article with such blaring errors, it nullifies any point they are trying to make. This fellow is bad at research; he should have checked what he has put forth as “facts” about Obama’s history. He is also late and a bit trite with this argument. What he said has been said so many times, and much better...and more correctly. Too bad, this article is not worth much.


31 posted on 08/22/2010 1:44:36 PM PDT by CitizenM ("Do you miss me yet?" Yes, George, we do.)
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To: humblegunner

w/o the Old Testament, there is no New Testament. Israel IS the holy land for the Christian faith.


32 posted on 08/22/2010 1:51:49 PM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: AmericaTalks
The general run of the news media put their own value on the Pew Survey as stated in the text. The word wrongly (bold is mine) is applied to those surveyed who do not fit in with those of the idolatrous media. Next is the phrase used in the same way.

At the same time the number of people who now correctly (my bold), identify Obama as a Christian had dropped to 34 percent.

The implications, though not obvious to much of the general public are very serious. The media is a mere propaganda machine.

33 posted on 08/22/2010 1:55:02 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: DownInFlames
Israel IS the holy land for the Christian faith.

As may be, that isn't what you said.

You stated:

Israel is the basis of the Christian faith

Israel is a location. Jesus is the Savior and the basis of the Christian faith.

You are wrong and likely quite ignorant.

34 posted on 08/22/2010 1:58:24 PM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily)
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To: AmericaTalks
If he "is" and and they want to hide it, you'll never get the proof. But to me, it's not about solid documentation.

"If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck ..."

Muslim or not, he is ACTING AS THOUGH HE IS A MUSLIM. Being a Muslim and not being a threat renders a benign result. But a non-Muslim acting like one is a heck of a threat. So whether he's a Muslim or not doesn't matter to me ... if he "acts" like one then we've got a very dangerous problem. And this is what the American people are seeing ... he sure is "acting" like a Muslim, isn't he? They're probably a little stupid (for electing him) but they aren't blind.

35 posted on 08/22/2010 1:59:48 PM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (http://www.thepatriotsflag.com - The Patriot's Flag)
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To: AmericaTalks

The debate should’ve ended the day steffie stephanopoulos interviewed Hussein and corrected 0 when he said that he was a Muslim.

Ever heard of a Christian who “unintentionally” calls himself a Muslim? Ever heard of a Christian with the name Hussein?

Ever heard of a “reporter” who corrects the person he interviews?


36 posted on 08/22/2010 1:59:54 PM PDT by 353FMG (ISLAM - America's inevitable road to destruction.)
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To: BBell

Yep. Thank goodness no fact checkers were inconvenienced by the author.


37 posted on 08/22/2010 2:04:05 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: 353FMG

And for those who are hearing impaired.....

Ever heard of a Christian who “unintentionally” calls himself a Muslim? Ever heard of a Christian with the name Hussein?

Ever heard of a “reporter” who corrects the person he interviews?

ENOUGH - IS - ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


38 posted on 08/22/2010 2:04:47 PM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: newnhdad
You're right. Would any Christian ever say, "We are who we've been waiting for"?

By his behavior, Obama's not Muslim or Christian. He certainly favors muslims over all others, but he hasn't a shred of humility. I can't imagine Obama praying on his knees to any god, and that is why I believe, like you, that he believes in creating a better future for humanity by the works of government. People who reject God are left with nothing else; they have no foundation for morality, no absolutes to keep them from becoming what they detest, no promise of redemption. They are forever subject to the sinful natures they deny. They are worthy of pity and prayer, and nothing else.

39 posted on 08/22/2010 2:08:17 PM PDT by DC Bound (www.actionverbwoodworks.com)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
And, on the other hand, how many Muslims have you heard say the prettiest sound they have heard is the Twenty Third Psalm or "Silent Night"?

...or Amazing Grace?

40 posted on 08/22/2010 2:10:37 PM PDT by houeto (Get drinking water from your ditch - http://www.junglebucket.com/)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msCieEnEZ34&feature=related


41 posted on 08/22/2010 2:10:57 PM PDT by houeto (Get drinking water from your ditch - http://www.junglebucket.com/)
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To: humblegunner

Give the guy some latitude. Israel is also, historically, a people. Jesus is prophesied throughout the Old Testament. I guess I’m quite ignorant too.


42 posted on 08/22/2010 2:16:32 PM PDT by DC Bound (www.actionverbwoodworks.com)
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To: houeto

Yes, how could I have forgotten Amazing Grace? One of my favorites.

Il Divo is great, but I think Judy Collins did the best ever, especially at her prime in the late 60s. Here she is solo without the choir or orchestra: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVpxfDgVaec&feature=related


43 posted on 08/22/2010 2:20:10 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: DC Bound
I guess I’m quite ignorant too.

Could be.

Israel is also, historically, a people.

That isn't what the poster said. He referenced "land" as in location.

Either way...

John 14:6 (King James Version)

6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Sounds like some "chosen" folks on some "land" had better get right, huh?

44 posted on 08/22/2010 2:21:17 PM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily)
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To: timetostand
how many Christians do you know, would say that the prettiest sound they have heard is the muslim call to prayer????

Speaking for myself......I find it pretty irritating. :)

45 posted on 08/22/2010 2:22:08 PM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: AmericaTalks; Beckwith

In reply to earlier thread is picture of O taking his shoes off at a mosque — the source blog says picture was taken before Christmas but I can’t find any credits for the picture.

My Muslim President Obama: Why members of the Islamic faith see him as one of the flock.
Forbes ^ | February 25, 2009 | Asma Gull Hasan

Posted on Saturday, August 21, 2010 11:30:22 PM by 2ndDivisionVet

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2575274/posts

Link to blog with photo:

http://willswordsofwisdom.wordpress.com/2010/01/03/disgusting/


46 posted on 08/22/2010 2:22:33 PM PDT by Bhoy
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To: humblegunner
Sounds like some "chosen" folks on some "land" had better get right, huh?

I don't know about that. They'll miss out on the rapture, but read Ezekiel 38 & 39. The Lord is still looking after Israel. Read Revelation... The 144,000 are Jews, and the two witnesses will end their three and a half years in Jerusalem. Christ is the only way, but this is getting beyond the meaning of the original post. All he was saying is that without Israel, there is no Christ.

47 posted on 08/22/2010 2:45:06 PM PDT by DC Bound (www.actionverbwoodworks.com)
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To: Beckwith

“. . . we’re talking about Barack Obama here. There are no “facts” — everything is “best guess.”

Hmmhh . . . inaccessible college grades, hidden birth certificate, missing legislative records. . . sir, I bow to your superior insight!


48 posted on 08/22/2010 2:54:14 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: AmericaTalks; Beckwith; 2ndDivisionVet

Photo of O taking off shoes for muzz prayer Wills words of wisdom blog has update the photo attributing it to White House File Photo.

blurb:

The President is once more celebrating Ramadan at the White House (File photo). The last word is Mr. Obama will have this year’s Ramadan Dinner on 9-11. Ramadan comes in the 9th month. All he wants to do is unify.

the link:

http://willswordsofwisdom.wordpress.com/


49 posted on 08/22/2010 3:17:22 PM PDT by Bhoy
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

There’s another dimension to this. Some analysts have pointed out that Islam can be seen as a form of Arab nationalism. A demonstration of this is the ongoing tragedy in Darfur, where non-Arab Muslims are the targets of Arab Muslim persecution, pretty much for being non-Arab. This is also why conversion to Islam is typically followed by changing one’s name to one of Arabic origins.

In that context, the Arabic language as used in the Quran has a special, nationalistic role to play in the advancement of Islam. The Quran is supposed to be a miraculous document such that it can, when read in Arabic, by virtue of the beauty and spiritual power of that language, provide an additional level of religious experience confirming the truth of Islam.

Therefore, Obama, in asserting the superiority of beauty of the call to prayer, is sending a coded message that almost no one in the West can pick up, that he believes Islam is true, because he has personally experienced the miraculous power of the Quran as rendered in Arabic.

Having said that, I am not sure he is anything other than a very cynical Nietzschean atheist, willing and able, due to a complete lack of conscience, to play both sides of the religious war to his own advantage. I think his deity is either Marx, or himself, or some conflation of the two. But only God knows for sure.


50 posted on 08/22/2010 3:20:06 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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