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I am particularly interested in the part where Glenn Beck accuses the 4th century Church of persecuting the Jewish sect that disappeared at about the time of the sacking of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.

The reason is plain. He hates the Christian Church. He wants to establish that their proclamation of the Divinity of Christ was established only by hiding the real truth about Jesus. Except the Essenes didn't say anything about Jesus as far as I know. He is also trying to establish that just as the Dead Sea Scrolls and the supposed truth they were hiding were kept hidden until the 19th century, it is no surprise that the writings shown Joseph Smith were hidden until he was shown them in the 19th Century.

I feel compelled to give Glenn Beck's side, so here is a link to someone defending what Beck said:

1 posted on 08/25/2010 4:41:18 PM PDT by grassboots.org
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I recall Glenn confessing that if he wanted Tanya, he had to have a religion and hers was as good as any other.

Or something like that.

Glenn today is the result of a hell of a lot more introspection and I'm sure personal sacrifice and spiritual commitment, then perhaps most born again Christians.

Glenn calls America back to God ..... what's wrong with that?

2 posted on 08/25/2010 4:46:32 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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I do not at all like Beck’s Evangelical preaching but I still listen to him almost every day. The Evangelical stuff bothers me greatly and detracts from everything he is presenting. The results of the research he is presenting is 100% spot on!


3 posted on 08/25/2010 4:47:27 PM PDT by WellyP
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?Is it Mormonism that is an issue, Glenn Beck? or Glenn Beck touting Mormonism?


4 posted on 08/25/2010 4:51:40 PM PDT by KarenMarie (NEVER believe anything coming out of DC until it's been denied.)
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Common sense tells us that we should take the very unstable Mr. Beck with a large grain of salt.

If he says something you agree with, fine; but never accept his words without scrutiny.


6 posted on 08/25/2010 4:53:01 PM PDT by iowamark
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Beck is full of himself. But he is a good watch at 5pm.


7 posted on 08/25/2010 4:55:29 PM PDT by nhwingut (Palin/Bachmann '12)
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I am so tired of these religious pissing matches about Glenn.

Enough already.

He is trying to warn us that this is greater than mortal issues here, that it has greater ramifications.

Even a sinner like me gets it, I also get he is trying to remind us (or renew?) that it was devine providence that lead our founding fathers to come up with a document that let us know liberty came from the almighty, not from man.

Leave him alone, get right on your own, and I think we will be ok.

I shutter to think where we would be without him....

11 posted on 08/25/2010 5:01:56 PM PDT by taildragger ((Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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I have both praise and condemnation for Beck.

Praise - What a fantastic American History Teacher he could be. I could sit for hours listening to him discuss the Founding Fathers, and the different events, both good and bad, in our history that made us what we are. He has reached out to an audience untouched by Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, and all the rest – and that is minorities and women, and the under 20 crowd, and American History buffs. He truly loves America, and like him or not, he is a Patriot. He is also a pretty good author.

Condemnation. – Way too much of a Libertarian. What good is it for him to reach out to all those new people, if he just convinces them that both Parties are evil? I heard him say a few weeks back that what we shouldn’t do is put the Republicans back in power. Yes, he said that.
I’m a Christian, so it doesn’t bother me when he tells his audience to get down on their knees and pray for our country, but for those who are not, I could see that being uncomfortable. However I don’t hear him preach to you like a Mormon at your front door, so that’s a positive.


13 posted on 08/25/2010 5:04:59 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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I; for one, thank God that Beck has been given the time, money, and inclination to do the research he has and to travel the path he has chosen. He has taken to exhorting people to find God, turn to God, pray to God, and above all, listen to God. He is not recommending an avenue or a religion to achieve that. He is not proselytizing or insisting that his religious view is the only one. He is pointing out that the stakes are so high, and the danger so great that without God as an anchor, you will be swamped. If you are offended that the Catholic Church is wrongly accused of an excess, I can respect that. Your assertion that the only possible explanation for the error is hatred is simplistic. Your sly declaration that the Catholic Church is the Christian Church is insulting. The progressives are the enemy. Reigniting the debate on transubstantiation vs. consubstantiation (a metaphor) is not going to accomplish anything except victory to the unfaithful. My faith in God, my love for Jesus the Christ, and my gratitude that he would extend his sacrifice to a miserable sinner such as I am is not likely to be shaken by a TV historian, an extinct sect, or a gathering of Bishops 1600 years ago. To have freedom, there must be free will. Without it, there can be no virtue. There can be no good and no evil. Without free will, temptation is meaningless.
21 posted on 08/25/2010 5:49:36 PM PDT by davius (You can roll manure in powdered sugar but that don't make it a jelly doughnut.)
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Evidently, here is the Beck quote:

All right. So here’s what happened. When Constantine decided he was going to uh… cobble together an army, um, he did the uh… Council of uh… Nicaea, right, Pat? … Council of Nicaea. Um… and what they did is brought all of the religious figures, uhh, together, all the Christians and then they said, “Ok, let’s uh, put together the Apostles’ Creed, let’s, you know, you guys do it.” So they brought all their religious scripture together, and that’s when the Bible was first bound and everything else. And then they said, “Anybody that disagrees with this is a heretic and… off with their head!” Well, that’s what the Dead Sea Scrolls are. The Dead Sea Scrolls are those scriptures that people had at the time that they said, “They are destroying all of this truth.” Whether it’s truth or not is, is up to the individual, but that… at that time those people thought that this was something that needed to be preserved and so they rolled up the scrolls and they put ‘em in clay pots and they, they put ‘em in the back of caves where no one could find them. They were hidden scripture because everything was being destroyed that disagreed with the Council of Nicaea and Constantine. That’s what those things are.

What's true out of that:

  1. Constantine called the Council of Nicaea
  2. The Council of Nicaea did write a creed (but it wasn't the Apostles' Creed)
  3. The Dead Sea Scrolls were rolled up, put into pots, and hidden in caves (... 250 years before Constantine called the Council)
Everything else is fiction.
26 posted on 08/25/2010 6:17:53 PM PDT by Campion
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I’ve got a feeling there is going to be a big effort to discredit him after this weekend.


32 posted on 08/25/2010 6:26:50 PM PDT by marron
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My take on the whole deal is that Beck is doing a lot of good with trying to bring this country back to an understanding of the beginnings of this country and where we went wrong.

When he does mention getting back to Faith he, at least every time I’ve heard him, mentions most all churches.

While I also disagree with the Mormon faith I think if a person is founded in his faith what Beck says will just be taken as error on his part.

I think if we take the good he does and pray that the Spirit brings him into a correct understanding it would be more beneficial.

At this point he is the only one on TV who is speaking as much truth as he is and will bring people together who understand what America was founded on. He’s done more good for the conservative cause then any other person that I can remember.

If we keep shooting the conservatives we disagree with there will be very few of us left. That’s when the true evil wins.


34 posted on 08/25/2010 6:30:00 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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My Dad used to say that the key to successful governance was a ‘balance’ of power. That every time one party gets control of both houses and the White House our government goes off the rails. And I used to believe in that.

Dad theory was the democrats protected the people from getting a shakedown from the rich and prevented oligarchy, and the republicans implemented policies that kept the economy stimulated so that we could ALL benefit from the INVESTMENT of their money which produce good jobs and stability. And that that’s why we needed to keep a balance of that power.

But, that was when we had democrats and republicans. We don’t have that anymore...we’ve got ‘progressives’ (aka commies) that have fused themselves into both parties that are totally corrupt, ammoral, anti-anything that resembles religion, strong families, and success and just rewards. They’ve figured out by promoting feel good, do-gooder programs fools the masses. Then they write up their legislation with selection criteria where NOBODY qualifies for it and they’ll steal the money to buy votes. They’ll campaign on it, and then implement socialism and collectivism and statism once they get elected. And they’ve tossed out the Constitution like it was an old relic, rather than the law of this land.

I believe when Glenn Beck speaks out against both parties that this is what he’s talking about.

The small number of true conservatives left that understand our free market and how it works just haven’t figured out how to lead us out of this GLOB OF GOOK feel good, do-gooder, for the good of all BS! They’ve got to get noisy, fight dirty, and forget the grand old party of gentlemen and get down in the ditches and call these commies out! Call them freaking communists! I think maybe they’re figuring this out! Boehner just called one of their horrible concoctions of a bill a ‘PIECE OF S**T! He’s finally speaking out in a language that will get somebody’s attention! lol


36 posted on 08/25/2010 6:52:41 PM PDT by RowdyFFC (.)
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I’ll take Glen Beck over Harry Reid any day.


113 posted on 08/28/2010 7:35:41 AM PDT by Monkey Face (If you think health care is expensive now, wait till it's free.)
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Seeing that I am the author of the original article that was linked here, and after reading all of the comments, I am truly left wondering if anyone actually and critically read my article and considered what I said.

No where in my article did I say that we can’t join other faiths to support Civic Justice, and a proper Constitutional Republican Government. We are in the world, and we need to interact with it, however we are not to be part of the world. Furthermore, Paul commands us not to partner with unbelievers. And Mormons are unfortunately unbelievers.

“14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? 15 What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? 16 What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, “I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you, 18 and I will be a father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to me, says the Lord Almighty.””
- 2 Corinthians 6:14 - 18

Do you really think that it is pleasant for me to bring such subjects up? I am even harassed by my own family for speaking my mind. Furthermore, I am no GOP or Commie shill or demagogue. I am a Jeffersonian Constitutionalist, and a member of the Constitution Party.

I will end my comment with this, what is more horrific and terrible, watching a nation collapse or watching the literal rape of the Gospel of Jesus Christ?


149 posted on 08/31/2010 1:55:05 PM PDT by Missionary Joshua
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