Posted on 09/03/2010 6:14:16 PM PDT by combat_boots
In brief, here are some thoughts for you to consider. You do know these.
1. Muslims live in Islamic countries and enclaves, where sharia is practiced. Period. No other religion survives where they are in control.
2. Islamic leadership is governed by Islamic law, according to the ‘strong man’ principle. Think “Lawrence of Arabia” & the tribes. There is no questioning the leadership. Ali (Omar Sharif) at one point makes salaam (touching his head to Faisal’s hand) just like 0bama did to the Saudi king.
3. The king/sharif has everything and doles it out piecemeal.
4. The Khalifa movement was started just after the fall of the Ottoman Empire (themselves, coming from the Osmanli tribe). It was specifically started to restore the capiphate. IIRC, it moved to Britain, and became Hizb ut Tahrir (radical—connected with the Muslim Brotherhood, aka, CAIR, aka Osama Bin Laden). There was a national conference in Chicago of these people last year, and the conference this year was cancelled at the last minute.
5. The tradition of Western study of Islam has evolved from being part of the long tradition of the ‘Greek studying the barbarian’ to an apologistic presentation of ways of believing by (usually) men from Islamic countries, who imbue their writings with the world view that Islam is and should always be dominant.
6. As the Middle East used to be considered the Occident, the veil between Western and Occidental thinking is at best translucent. We tell the truth. They lie to achieve their aims. We examine scientifically. They accept occurrences as ‘it is written.’ We separate thinking from feeling whenever possible. They don’t. We tolerate ‘the other.’ They will not.
Oh, there’s more.....but that’ll get you started.
Wow! That’s a homework assignment!
BTTT!
BTW, should be ‘caliphate,’ not ‘capiphate’ or whatever I wrote in that one number. The Khalifa movement is extremely dangerous. Bin Laden wanted a new Caliph of the Muslim world, remember.
Oh, and I should clarify this: “5. The tradition of Western study of Islam has evolved from being part of the long tradition of the ‘Greek studying the barbarian’ to an apologistic presentation of ways of believing by (usually) men from Islamic countries, who imbue their writings with the world view that Islam is and should always be dominant.”
Should be
5. Western study of Islam:
Then: part of the long tradition of the ‘Greek studying the barbarian.’ Sometimes known as Occidentalism or Occidental studies.
Now: apologistic presentation of ways of believing, usually written and argued by men from Islamic countries. That is to say, they imbue their writings with a world view that Islam is and should always be dominant. Their ideology and hegemony cannot move past their own perspectives, but neither can Westerners’ perspectives. By handing over the control of the studied of the Middle East to those who either 1) from the Middle East or 2) believe as Muslims, the Western point of view has been coopted to the point of conquest, albeit, in this case, academically.
you arrogant sob i don’t need you providing me information on muslims -you can go to blazes
Remind me to never come across as didactic or even remotely condescending to you, lol.
You blasted the OP so hard I had to come see what was going on. I think you may have taken the reply in a manner other than the spirit in which it was offered, just my humble observation.
actually i thought i let him off easy but his tone to me was completely sarcastic “you do know this/these don’t you”....
i read his post to me last night and later i said to myself-that dude must think he’s some kind of intellectual giant for him to go soliciting like that to me- i got the impression he thinks i mental midget.
I’ve always had good relationships here online at FR and respect people,too, but his sarcasm towards me was just
something i couldn’t swallow lol
:)
Replies to Internet boards and such tend to be difficult to gauge as far as intent, hence the persistence of emoticons and shorthand like “lol.”
There’s some history here of which I’m unaware, so maybe it wasn’t wide of the mark, not for me to say, I suppose.
Carry on, as you were, then, lol.
lol
You wrote last night: “i have some opinions about this but my brain is tired
this is an article worth responding especially in light of these “talks” on the MidEast talks and needs some
explanation on how these jackaZZes think”
I thought you were actually asking for some places to start in researching things more seriously, MissDairyGoodnessVT, which is why I responded. I wasn’t being the least bit sarcastic toward you, nor arrogant. I thought I was actually pointing you toward things you might not know, as few Westerners have had the opportunity, but there was a time when such things were crammed down my throat. I can be a firehose sometimes.
Apologies for having offended you. I won’t bother you again, believe me.
“you do know this/these don’t you”....
For the record: I have only periodically written about things that I do know from serious and long time work. Over the course of the last decade, so much more information on the Islamic world has been written that it’s difficult to know what people do and don’t know anymore, or, if people are familiar with the history of movements such as the Hizb ut Tahrir and its connection to the Khalifa movement & Muslim Brotherhood. It’s clear to those who have kept track, but there’s so much obfuscation and a sense of covering of tracks for the purpose of confusing and misdirecting Westerners that it’s hard to know if people DO know what the actual connections are. I do assume that we know these things on FR, and we just need a few pointers here and there to look for our own research on the more subtle details.
Maybe I’m not making the correct assumption there anymore.
there was no intrincsic meaning to any of the words i wrote the other night so what you read you assigned an assumption to my statements.
“I thought I was pointing you toward tings you might not know, as few Westerners have had the opportunity,...” are you planning to share your view points with the entire Western civilization?
more assumptions on your part
When I studied the Battle of Lepanto, in 1971, I was surprised, as I had never heard of it before, although it was a turning point in the development of what became Western European & American history. Why it was not and is not taught in Western schools is a truly curious thing, as it was key to control of the seas for the Western world. I was not young when I learned it. Maybe you learned about it.
As I mentioned in the prior post, I won’t bother you again. I won’t.
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