Skip to comments.Why Pelosi Signed Two Certificates of Nomination
Posted on 09/08/2010 7:21:00 PM PDT by butterdezillion
Nancy Pelosi signed one certificate of nomination which was sent to 49 states and another - saying that Obama is Constitutionally eligible - to Hawaii. People have asked why she didn't send the eligibility-certifying one to all the states, but the more pressing question is, "Why did the Hawaii Democratic Party refuse to certify Obama's eligibility?"
This is on my blog but I'll post the whole thing in the first response and the link to the blog post in the 2nd response so the links will be (hopefully) clickable.
The plot thickens...the stew gels....
Simple. Obama is not eligible.
Why Pelosi and Germond Signed a Different Certificate of Nomination for Hawaii
Canada Free Press broke a story showing that Nancy Pelosi and Alice Travers Germond , as representatives of the Democratic National Committee, had signed one Certificate of Nomination for Obama and Biden that was sent to 49 states, and another that was sent only to Hawaii. Only the certificate sent to Hawaii included a statement that Obama and Biden were Constitutionally qualified to serve as President and Vice-President.
That certificate of nomination for Hawaii is the ONLY statement in this nation signed by somebody besides Obama which claims that Obama is Constitutionally eligible to be President. Contrary to arguments that Congress certified Obamas eligibility when they certified the results of the electoral vote, neither representatives of Congress nor any Secretary of State has signed a legal document saying that Obama is eligible. This one oath by Pelosi and Germond is the only legal claim that Obamas eligibility was verified.
And there is a huge story about how this particular certificate came to be, which the House Ethics Committee, every state Attorney General, and the public at large need to know.
First off, they need to know that the Hawaii Department of Health has confirmed that neither Pelosi nor Germond, nor any leader of either the Democratic National Committee or the Hawaii Democratic Party, has ever even asked to see Obamas birth certificate. So Pelosi and Germond did not sign this document because they saw a certified copy from the HDOH office. And in fact, if they had seen anything from the HDOH office they would have known his Hawaii birth certificate has been amended and has no legal value.
Its been removed from the web, but shortly after CFP published their original article about the Certificates of Nomination, somebody claiming to represent the DNC stated on a discussion board that the DNC relies on the state parties to verify Constitutional eligibility for candidates, so the oath by Pelosi and Germond would just confirm that the state democratic parties had confirmed the Constitutional eligibility of the candidates.
But this is where the argument totally falls apart, because the Hawaii Democratic Party actually ignored their protocols in 2008 in order to specifically NOT certify Obamas eligibility as they had done for candidates in the past. IOW, if Pelosi based her decision to certify on whether the state party would confirm eligibility, then she had a duty to NOT certify Obamas eligibility, because the democratic party of the state supposedly holding Obamas birth certificate REFUSED TO CERTIFY Obamas eligibility.
I requested and received from the Hawaii Dept of Elections the certificates of nomination from both the DNC and Hawaii Democratic Party (HDP). I was told their records only go as far back as 2000. In 2000 and 2004 the HDP waited until about a month after the National Convention and then signed and hand-delivered to the Hawaii Elections Office their certification that the candidates 1) were chosen by both the state and national parties and 2) were Constitutionally eligible to be President and VP. That was the HDPs standard procedure, fulfilling both of Hawaiis 2 requirements for placement on the ballot. (I will upload those documents as soon as I can get my husband to scan them.)
In 2008 the HDP signed their certification with the Constitutional eligibility language removed at the National Convention, on the day BEFORE Pelosi and Germond signed the DNC certificate. They then apparently gave their HDP certificate to DNC Attorney Joseph Sandler, who then had a special certificate created and signed by Pelosi and Germond just for Hawaii (since the HDP refused to certify eligibility) and then sent both certifications, with his own letter of transmittal, to the Hawaii Elections Office.
So instead of acting independently a month after the National Convention and confirming Constitutional eligibility as in the past, the HDP acted before the Convention to take out the eligibility language from their standard certificate, signed it, and gave it to Joe Sandler before Pelosi had signed anything - signaling to the DNC that they were not going to certify eligibility. They coordinated their efforts with Joe Sandler, who sent both documents together to the HI Elections Office. Apparently Sandler, Pelosi, and Germond all knew that Hawaiis special certification was necessary because the HDP refused to certify Obamas eligibility.
The question that begs an answer is: Why did the Hawaii Democratic Party refuse to certify Obamas eligibility as they had always done to successfully place presidential candidates on the ballots before?
A former DNC official allegedly said the DNC added the eligibility language to be cautious, but that doesnt explain why the HDP took OUT their certification which had always been sufficient in the past. Being cautious would mean either doing it the way it had always worked before, or ADDING to what had always worked before not trying out an experiment that had never been tried before. Sandler had been counsel for the DNC in 1996, 2000 and 2004, and the Hawaii election law hasnt changed since 1993 so there was no reason to believe the protocols always used werent sufficient. And if the DNC had questions they didnt ask anybody about them; Deputy AG Aaron Schulaner didn’t remember anybody from the HDP or DNC asking about the requirement and said it doesnt matter which of the 2 bodies certified eligibility.
I called the HDP headquarters on Nov 13, 2009, to ask who had authorized their change in procedures for 2008 and why. The person I spoke with had choice words for the crazy birthers but refused to answer questions about how the HDPs 2008 certificate was created. I specifically wanted to know what legal counsel had approved the changes to the document, when, and why. If there was a reasonable explanation for the change there should be no reason to hide any of that information.
Before finding out I was a birther the HDP worker had said that they dont have a specific attorney but take each issue as it comes up, with members of the Executive Committee sometimes pitching in their legal expertise. Looking online, the only attorney I was able to find who had represented the HDP in lawsuits in the last 15 years (3 different cases, 2 of which have now been scrubbed from the web and all of which are missing from the Hawaii court site) was William H Gilardy, Jr. The attorney who represented Obamas mother in her divorce from Lolo Soetoro. Chances are good that Gilardy has actually seen Obamas birth certificate not the late, amended Hawaii BC which has no legal value and couldnt be used for any legal purposes, but the one Obama actually used for identification purposes for kindergarten and college entry, application for a social security number, selective service registration, etc. All the stuff Obama has hidden.
Brian Schatz, HDP Chairman who signed the certificate, was Obamas campaign spokesman in Hawaii who graduated from (and later taught at) Punahou School ,where Obama graduated from high school, and spent a year in Kenya in 1992 (which overlaps Barack and Michelles visit to Kenya shortly before their wedding; by that time Obama had been president of Harvard Law Review and had a book deal) . He is now running for lieutenant governor and has been endorsed by Obamas half-sister, Maya.
The HDP refusing to certify Obamas eligibility is bad enough as it is, but for the HDPs usual legal counsel to be the very person who has probably seen Obamas non-Hawaii birth certificate is explosive.
All this was presumably known by Nancy Pelosi and Alice Travers Germond when they signed that special certification for Hawaii. It was almost certainly known by Joe Sandler when he had the special certificate drawn up, counseled Pelosi and Germond to sign it, and sent the letter of transmittal with both certificates to the HI Elections Office. Calls to Sandlers law office have been unreturned.
The HDP refused to answer my questions because they ridicule birthers. I solemnly suggest that if nobody in law enforcement will compel answers before then, the 2011 House Ethics Committee hopefully under Rep Darrell Issa initiate an investigation into potential perjury by Nancy Pelosi, aided by the potential subornation of perjury by DNC Attorney Joseph Sandler.
Got a link other than to your blog?
Sorry. I tried C&P-ing the HTML but the formatting was all screwed up. To click on the documentation links you’ll have to look at the post at:
Unless somebody can help me figure out how to get the spacing AND the clickable links all at the same time. (sigh)
The links are contained within the blog post. I tried getting the links to post here but it messed up the spacing so it was unreadable. If somebody can help me get both the spacing and links I’d be happy to put it all here.
(My apologies for my technological deficiencies.)
More like the Sewage in the Swamp is starting to congeal...... The Republicans are going to have a difficult and stinky job cleaning up this mess starting in January 2011..............
“And when the sun comes up over Molokai,
The lepers all come out
And cry to Baracki-Rakki Hoi
to carry us to Baracki Heaven...
(With most sincere apologies to Flo and Eddie...)
One thing’s for sure—they all should be in prison.
Butterdezillion, this is tremendous work by someone who obviously knows their stuff. Thanks very much!!
Hmm, here’s info for you, aurorales!
Hey! Maybe that’s why God is destroying them all! They haven’t yet seen that once you begin something by breaking a commandment (bearing false witness, let’s say) then all bets are off as far as the Celestial Power is concerned.
Well, as they say “Don’t Eat the Yellow Snow in Hawaii”
Can this be sent to Col Lakin’s attorney. Here’s an article about him.
Lucy, can you ping the list to this post, please?
People may know most of this by now, but I’ve got the documentation posted on my blog now (except the uploads I need my husband to help me with).
I don’t think there will be any problem getting Zero out of the WH. Getting all the other criminals into some Federal prison might be a bit more difficult. Good work here and it will not be avoided by the LameSM.
Hell, some of those propaganda twirps are likely to be heading to Leavenworth.
And I do believe it will not be “stinky” but the “sweet smell of success”. It will be Morning in America,again.
June 20, 2010
Hawaii elections clerk: Obama birth not here
A college professor who worked as a senior elections clerk for the City and County of Honolulu in 2008 is making the stunning claim Barack Obama was definitely not born in Hawaii as the White House maintains, and that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama does not even exist in the Aloha State.
Tim Adams, a former senior elections clerk for Honolulu, now teaches English at Western Kentucky University.
“There is no birth certificate,” said Tim Adams, a graduate assistant who teaches English at Western Kentucky University in Bowling Green, Ky. “It’s like an open secret. There isn’t one. Everyone in the government there knows this.”
Adams, who says he’s a Hillary Clinton supporter who ended up voting for John McCain when Clinton lost the Democratic nomination to Obama, told WND, “I managed the absentee-ballot office. It was my job to verify the voters’ identity.”
He says during the 2008 campaign when the issue of Obama’s constitutional eligibility first arose, the elections office was inundated with requests to verify the birthplace of the U.S. senator from Illinois.
“I had direct access to the Social Security database, the national crime computer, state driver’s license information, international passport information, basically just about anything you can imagine to get someone’s identity,” Adams explained. “I could look up what bank your home mortgage was in. I was informed by my boss that we did not have a birth record [for Obama].”
At the time, there were conflicting reports that Obama had been born at the Queen’s Medical Center in Honolulu, as well as the Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children across town. So Adams says his office checked with both facilities.
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