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To Those who are Outraged at Burn the Koran Day
Logans Warning ^ | September 9Th, 2010 | Christopher Logan

Posted on 09/09/2010 3:06:16 PM PDT by Islaminaction

I can understand people not agreeing with the upcoming “Burn a Koran Day”. But the whole thing has really been blown out of proportion, and people need to stop acting like this is some world crisis. Two of the most recognized people who have spoken out against this day are General Petraeus, and Hillary Clinton. What I want to know is where was their outrage when the US Army burned Bibles?

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1 posted on 09/09/2010 3:06:18 PM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: Nachum; 444Flyer; Islaminaction; GeronL; MestaMachine; Mr Inviso; Neoliberalnot; Hodar; ...

Islamic expansionism ping list. If anyone wants on or off, please email me. Thanks!


2 posted on 09/09/2010 3:07:44 PM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: Islaminaction

Those Bibles were in the Aphganistan dialect....to the Muslim leadership this is prostlizing....and it is...so they had to burn them....these Bibles were unsolicited... sent there by some group or other...not ordered by the military.


3 posted on 09/09/2010 3:11:48 PM PDT by caww
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To: Islaminaction
What I want to know is where was their outrage when the US Army burned Bibles?

They are too busy running the Neville Chamberlain School For The Blind.

4 posted on 09/09/2010 3:14:01 PM PDT by bigheadfred (We built a tower of stone. With our flesh and bone. Just to see him fly .)
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To: Islaminaction

Yep, these people need a nice warm glass of “Lighten up, Francis.”


5 posted on 09/09/2010 3:14:56 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Islaminaction

The Saudi Government burns the bibles they seize. There is NO religious tolerance or respect is Saudi Arabia.

Where is Sec of State Clintoon on this matter?


6 posted on 09/09/2010 3:15:49 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack attended the church of GD America for 20 years. He has NO room to speak out on religion.)
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To: dfwgator
Yep, these people need a nice warm glass of “Lighten up, Francis.”

The Nazis weren't known for their sense of humor either.

7 posted on 09/09/2010 3:16:54 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack attended the church of GD America for 20 years. He has NO room to speak out on religion.)
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To: Islaminaction

I think Koran-burning is stupid and pointless, but I’m not outraged.


8 posted on 09/09/2010 3:16:56 PM PDT by Julia H. (This tagline for rent--Only $999.99/month!)
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To: caww

Those Bibles were in the Aphganistan dialect....to the Muslim leadership this is prostlizing....and it is...so they had to burn them....these Bibles were unsolicited... sent there by some group or other...not ordered by the military.

So, Islam isn’t a belief system. It’s a gang. Once in, never out. As such, it isn’t a religion. Just a worldwide, well-funded, armed insurgency.

Were it a belief system, the central idea of willfull endorsement of the tenets of that faith would be in play. They aren’t.

If you printed those Quran in French, and WE BURNED THEM, do you think the Imam’s would still be having a large sow?

What difference does the language make, or the idea of prosytlizing make? Belief implies choosing. If one can choose to be a muslim, why can’t they unchoose?


9 posted on 09/09/2010 3:17:09 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: Islaminaction
What I want to know is where was their outrage when the US Army burned Bibles?

Obviously, Mr. Petraeus isn't worried about the hearts and minds of the Little People he supposedly works for when he blithely engaged in this behavior to appease the Murder Cultists.

10 posted on 09/09/2010 3:17:44 PM PDT by Regulator (Watch Out!! The Americans are On the March!! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
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To: Islaminaction
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"I summon my blue-eyed slaves anytime it pleases me. I command the Americans to send me their bravest soldiers to die for me. Anytime I clap my hands a stupid genie called the American ambassador appears to do my bidding. When the Americans die in my service their bodies are frozen in metal boxes by the US Embassy and American airplanes carry them away, as if they never existed. Truly, America is my favorite slave."

King Fahd Bin Abdul-Aziz, Jeddeh 1993

("At Any Price: How America Betrayed My Kidnapped Daughters for Saudi Oil" By Patricia Roush)

For the source of that quotation, visit the link below (copy and paste if necessary), go to page 272 and scroll to the bottom of the page.

http://tinyurl.com/28sn557

I guess their oil is the only POSSIBLE reason to shed American blood for these people. It begs a question: WHY THE HELL AREN’T WE USING OUR OWN?? ARE WE MAD? (Don’t answer that.)


11 posted on 09/09/2010 3:18:01 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (The upcoming election is the most important in our lifetimes!!! BE THERE!!!!!!!)
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To: Islaminaction

The real crisis is our national unwillingness to deal with the virus of Islam.


12 posted on 09/09/2010 3:20:26 PM PDT by Jacquerie (All Muslims are suspect.)
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To: Islaminaction
Shrug. Some people just do not understand that in the USA, we have a God-given right to desecrate whatever religious symbols we want. One person's holy book is another person's kindling material.

People who don't like it need to grow up and accept it.

13 posted on 09/09/2010 3:21:05 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Islaminaction

They did it to show silly moslems how well we behaviour when the Holy Bible is burned....we don’t act like a wild bunch of two legged beast....we continue to act like the civilized people we are and always have been....


14 posted on 09/09/2010 3:22:09 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Jacquerie

Bingo!


15 posted on 09/09/2010 3:25:24 PM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: RinaseaofDs
If one can choose to be a muslim, why can’t they unchoose?

Because in Islam there is no freedom to disbelieve...or choose. They do not understand even remotely what choice is.

16 posted on 09/09/2010 3:26:45 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
If one can choose to be a muslim, why can’t they unchoose?

It's the "Hotel California" of religions.

17 posted on 09/09/2010 3:27:44 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Islaminaction

I firmly believe that it is the duty of all civilized men and women to resist Islam. It is a war. THEY call it a war, they are willing to fight it as a war, and are quite obviously willing to kill and die for their beliefs.

However, I think this “Burn a Koran Day” stunt is about as smart as trying to get rid of a wasp nest by throwing rocks at it while naked. Wasps are dangerous pests, and they need to be controlled and eradicated whenever they show up, but there are a lot more intelligent and effective ways of doing it than that.

Not only am I bothered by this idea because it is ineffective, I know, not think, KNOW that Christian churches WORLDWIDE are going to be destroyed and innocent Christians are going to die because of it.

Doesn’t anyone remember the way the Muzzies went freako when the Pope quoted Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus? Two freako Jihadi wannabes retaliated by shooting innocent nuns in Egypt and Christians around the world suffered intense persecution because of what was a truthful and relatively non-controversial quote.

What do you think the spazzed-out lunatic fringe of Islam is going to do if/when the MSM flashes images of a burning Korans around the world?

Yes, they have the freedom to do this, but the insanity that is going to be unleashed because of it, worldwide, is just too high. It’s easy for Americans, who are relatively safe, to piously advance this “in your face” action, but I doubt very seriously that the pastors, priests, nuns and congregations in nations where Islam reigns, or where they have significant political power, are going to enjoy being the target of the inevitable result.

Wars need to be thought out and fought intelligently! This bonehead stunt is tactically stupid and strategically useless.


18 posted on 09/09/2010 3:29:08 PM PDT by Ronin (If it were not so gruesomely malevolent, Islam would just be silly.)
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To: Jacquerie

“The real crisis is our national unwillingness to deal with the virus of Islam.”

That is exactly correct.


19 posted on 09/09/2010 3:32:57 PM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: dfwgator

Yep....Insanity and evil begin within an individual....these people have no clue of critical thinking...let alone there is anything outside of Islam...not a religion though....as many have already attested to. It is a militant ideology masqurading as this to keep the masses of Muslims in line...and it works because this is how Muhammed planned it to be...worked for Him and nothings changed since.


20 posted on 09/09/2010 3:34:23 PM PDT by caww
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To: Ronin

So you are basically saying we are so worried about being hurt or killed that we will submit to any form of blackmail they or anybody else can dream up?

That’s what you are saying.


21 posted on 09/09/2010 3:34:34 PM PDT by djf (It is ISLAM or "We, the People..." Take your pick. THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND!!!)
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To: Islaminaction
Two of the most recognized people who have spoken out against this day are General Petraeus, and Hillary Clinton. What I want to know is where was their outrage when the US Army burned Bibles?

I suppose each of our interpretation of events depends on our knowledge of history, world events, contemporary history and common sense.

These two were not condemning the burning of books;
they were wringing their cowardly political hands at offending our enemy, in our own country, with all our so-called rights and freedoms.

22 posted on 09/09/2010 3:38:04 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: DonaldC

so just how does one deal with Islam....?????

Lets’s cut thru the front of what they see as their religious cover...these men are calling for the death of America and it’s citizens....(infidels)...they are people with guns and ammo and such...and they are a politcal machine in our courts, government and communities. They are a people at war with the world until the world submits to Islam....

When they say the word Peace...it means there is no Peace apart from ISlam.....when they say they are a Peaceful people...It means they are Islamic and abide by the Koran and all it’s teachings. It does not mean they wissh for Peace amon themsleves and others but will permote it as such until the people are strong enough to fight.


23 posted on 09/09/2010 3:39:23 PM PDT by caww
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To: dfwgator

Perfect

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgLfoQfmSQ4


24 posted on 09/09/2010 3:39:41 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes
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To: caww
From what I have read these bibles were sent to an individual by his church and was private property.
25 posted on 09/09/2010 3:48:00 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: djf

Obviously YOU’RE not. And so nice of you to volunteer OTHER Christians around the world to take the consequences of your actions — or in this case, actions you approve of.

Hey, I am in Japan, and Japan probably has one of the lowest profiles worldwide as far as the “war on terror” goes, so I am pretty safe personally. What I see happening because of this is burned and destroyed churches, dead parents and raped children in Indonesia, Malaysia, Ethiopia and many other nations — but apparently that’s no skin off your nose.

Just what IS the supposed purpose of this “Koran Burning”? If it was to draw attention to the 9/11 atrocity, it has not only failed, it has actually become totally counterproductive because NOW attention is exclusively on the Koran burning and the the horror of 9/11 and the 3,000 dead has been effectively reduced to a historical footnote in the eyes of the rest of the world because of it.

As I said in my post above. Yes, fight Islam, but fight it INTELLIGENTLY.


26 posted on 09/09/2010 3:50:19 PM PDT by Ronin (If it were not so gruesomely malevolent, Islam would just be silly.)
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To: Islaminaction

There will still be a lot of Korans burned on 911, as it should be.


27 posted on 09/09/2010 3:53:46 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Ronin
Fight it with nukes.

This crap happens every 700 years. You can set your watch by it.

The Brits used to say that Muslims were either under your boot or at your throats.

They burn, stone, and beat women. They murder proselytizers, homosexuals, and fornicators. They have been, and always will be, murderous insurgents. I'm with Cheney on this. We should have bombed a whole bunch of middle eastern countries on 9/12 and got it over with.

28 posted on 09/09/2010 3:54:53 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: Ronin

If he would have held out to the day of 9/11 and not burned it, and said it was all just to prove how Muslims react to our freedoms, it would have been a very good move.


29 posted on 09/09/2010 3:56:47 PM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: Publius6961

“These two were not condemning the burning of books;
they were wringing their cowardly political hands at offending our enemy, in our own country, with all our so-called rights and freedoms.”

You’re right.


30 posted on 09/09/2010 3:57:38 PM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: Islaminaction

firewithfire


31 posted on 09/09/2010 4:05:21 PM PDT by FrankR (It doesn't matter what they call us, only what we answer to....)
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To: Regulator

Generals George Patton, William T. Sherman, and Chesty Puller would gag listening to this cookie-pushing, soft-soap sad sack sob sister “ New Army” general —sure, he’s a smart guy, but smart by itself is nothing, and sure he cooked up some way for us to not lose, as opposed to actually win, which we could have done in a month if we had put the smack down. Groovy, man.....

BTW Notice how the libtards who dismissed him as General “Betray-us” are now invoking him as a voice of wisdom?


32 posted on 09/09/2010 4:10:20 PM PDT by Brock Strongo (Semper Fi!)
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To: RinaseaofDs

The reason why Christian communication is never to proselytize, is that the communication is never intended to make a person change their faith. By definition, there is no such thing as Christian proselytizing.

If somebody changes their faith on their own independent of anybody else, it isn’t Christianity they’ve changed to become.

Rather, God performs all the work in providing faith to a believer. An unbeliever can either choose to accept faith from God or reject it. The faith provided is the same faith as that of Christ Jesus. It is an obedience to God in what He provides.

The difference in those who come to Christ and those who consider any other system of thinking independent of God as an alternative ‘religious faith’, is that faith in Christ also is accompanied in this Church Age with an immediate regeneration of human spirit, the indwelling of God the Holy Spirit, and about 40 others things that are very real and discernible from never having received faith in Him.

Many believers don’t know what their spiritual gifts are, in part because they are likely to have slipped out of fellowship from any post salvation sin, and stopped growing, but instead have degenerated back to acting and thinking based upon their natural soulish thinking processes developed for a lifetime prior to their salvation.

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.

Fallen angels oppose the delivery of Scripture, because immediately upon an unbelieving human receiving and understanding the Gospel, if they choose to exercise just a little more faith than absolutely no faith whatsoever in what God has provided in Christ on the Cross, they immediately become eternal spiritual beings who also have enormous more power and authority and impact upon the spiritual domain than their adversaries, through faith in Christ.

Those who are scarred by living by the flesh and in a worldly system, will be tempted to simply equate Christianity with any other counterfeit system of spirituality, and remain dedicated to worshiping Baal, although most do not even know the name. Those who seek to act independent of God, have already foisted their religion upon all others by their Baal worship, and most are too ignorant to even recognize it, because they are blind to it.


33 posted on 09/09/2010 4:11:15 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Ronin

Doesn’t matter, the day has been canceled.


34 posted on 09/09/2010 4:13:53 PM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: RinaseaofDs
“If one can choose to be a muslim, why can’t they unchoose?”

Because people soon find out about the evil of islam and the only way that the imams can keep them in the cult, is under threat of death.

LLS

35 posted on 09/09/2010 4:17:11 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

As a matter of fact, Muslims believe that everyone is in fact born a Muslim, and people don’t convert, they “revert” to Islam.


36 posted on 09/09/2010 4:21:14 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Yep... they think mo rode a White Pegasus to the moon and brought back some moon rock. They think a lot of insane things... don’t they?

LLS


37 posted on 09/09/2010 4:25:05 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Certainly there is a story about one kind or the other...but I have no problem with Petraeous deciding to do this as you can bet he got something back in return for doing so on behalf of our troops. Furthermore he and are troops are on thier land...he will make decisions according to the climate there...we don’t have that view.


38 posted on 09/09/2010 4:27:43 PM PDT by caww
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To: Cvengr

“An unbeliever can either choose to accept faith from God or reject it.”

This doesn’t make any sense, and I’m smelling a little bit of ‘election’ here.

Faith is a verb more than it is a noun. Belief, to have belief, is a choice you make. God works the way He does, but in the end, you have to choose God or reject Him.

I certainly agree that He provides the opportunities for accepting Him, but the biggest part of Christianity is most certainly all up to the one doing the believing.

Do I believe that once you’ve been saved, that the Holy Spirit indwells and He provides everything you need? You bet.

God, however, isn’t a rapist. You have to choose to love Him back.

Maybe we are saying the same thing. Faith, to me, is a verb, not a noun.


39 posted on 09/09/2010 4:28:40 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: a fool in paradise
The Saudi Government burns the bibles they seize. There is NO religious tolerance or respect is Saudi Arabia.

They will also imprison or execute whoever has them in their possession.

40 posted on 09/09/2010 4:35:26 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Build a man a fire; he'll be warm for a night. Set a man on fire; he'll be warm the rest of his life)
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To: LibLieSlayer
"Yep... they think mo rode a White Pegasus to the moon and brought back some moon rock."

It was a winged horse named "Buraq"...

41 posted on 09/09/2010 4:38:00 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: caww
then bring them home this has become to political of a zone. We need to come home and kick every one of them out of this county. during ww2 we deported and did not let Jew's into this country but now we are bending over backward for what OIL! This is all going to come back and kill us since they see us as a weak nation. Once the population hits 10% muzzies that is when we will loose this nation is that what you want?
42 posted on 09/09/2010 4:39:52 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Dick Bachert

I have always thought that it was Saudi money behind the hysteria that insists on no drilling for our own oil and no new refineries.

Now they have all of our gold and use it to export the rage and hate called islam.

They have to destroy the west because otherwise, like East and West Berlin, it is the constant juxtaposition of competence and improvement for mankind with a primitive, evil and very backward culture that stifles all intellectual curiosity.


43 posted on 09/09/2010 4:40:57 PM PDT by Let's Roll (Stop paying ACORN to destroy America! Cut off their federal funding!)
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To: Brock Strongo
BTW Notice how the libtards who dismissed him as General “Betray-us” are now invoking him as a voice of wisdom?

They only luv the military when it surrenders

44 posted on 09/09/2010 4:44:13 PM PDT by Regulator (Watch Out!! The Americans are On the March!! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Could have been a winged dog too!

LLS


45 posted on 09/09/2010 4:45:40 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: Islaminaction

How about burning books that leftists like?


46 posted on 09/09/2010 6:05:40 PM PDT by Ptarmigan (Bunnies Are Worthy Of Death!)
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To: Islaminaction

bookmark


47 posted on 09/09/2010 6:07:43 PM PDT by airborne (Why is it we won't allow the Bible in school, but we will in prison? Think about it.)
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To: Islaminaction

What I’d like to know is why the media always calls it the “Holy” Qu’ran but whenever they talk about the Holy Bible it’s just the Bible.


48 posted on 09/09/2010 7:20:50 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: RinaseaofDs

A great study in Greek is the word PISTIS/PISTEO.

Same word is translated faith in some passages, and others as belief.

Faith/PISTIS is used in three senses in Scripture.

1) as an adjective describing the object of one’s belief which is veritable.
2) A reliance upon another as an object of thinking
3) A doctrine or expression of thinking with the object upon another.

Faith in Christ is made effectual for salvation in part because it’s object of thinking is not upon ourselves, but is non-meritorious, placed upon Christ who is both God and man. God the Holy Spirit then is able to take that faith and by efficacious grace make it effectual for salvation.

Additionally, faith is also provided from God to man in thought, upon which the human soul, may contemplate the thought and either with volition accept the faith or reject it.

Once it is even briefly accepted, the human spirit is then regenerated by God the Father, providing a temple for the indwelling of God the Holy Spirit, who upon His volition (i.e. His Sovereignty) indwells the believer in this Church Age.

The human spirit is discernible from the human soul and has a system of perception, which without the human spirit, human soul is not able to perceive spiritual things.

All the work in salvation has been provided by God, and all that is required by the unbeliever is to accept the faith He also provides.

Some denominations touch upon collateral issues such as during our continuing sanctification, when we are in fellowship with God, He is then able to continue His work in us by our spirit and his work which is faith in us. We begin with a small portion that is veritable, and slowly build our vocabulary and linguistics in true faith provided by God Holy Spirit, who is essentially rehabilitating our soul via the spirit. All of that in us is His work.

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.


49 posted on 09/09/2010 7:22:10 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Ronin

Wars are messy affairs and events sometimes spin out of control. Afghanistan-Iraq has been a long war. It’s amazing that the anti-Islamic impulse has been restrained this long.

Basically we have a militia taking a public relations potshot at the real enemy — Saudi inspired radical Islam. I have no problem with it. Petreaus & Clinton are wetting their pants over it. Shows weakness of the status quo position on this war.


50 posted on 09/09/2010 8:19:25 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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