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Texas College Student Shot and Killed in Mexico
FOX NEWS.com (BROWNSVILLE HERALD) ^ | Published October 07, 2010 | n/a

Posted on 10/07/2010 11:27:43 AM PDT by Cindy

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To: Cindy

My sympathies to the family, and warning to those, including some of my friends, who insist on going to Mexico. Don’t do it if you cherish your life or the lives of your loved ones you take with you. Mexico is a criminal state.


21 posted on 10/07/2010 12:56:01 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Cindy

When I was growing up if you touched a hair on an American head the entire country would come down on you and the entire world knew it. Americans were safe just about anywhere. My how things have changed.


22 posted on 10/07/2010 1:15:17 PM PDT by McGavin999 ("I was there when we had the numbers, but didn't have the principles"-Jim DeMint)
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To: livius

People adapt to disfunctional governments in ways that accentuate both good and bad in people. The place always fascinated me, I had the sense of a machine in which a lot of the moving parts are right there in plain view, that in the US you maybe aren’t aware of anymore.

If you live in a medium sized city it was quite livable (but already it was to the point that everyone I met from DF had been mugged and I mean everyone). Truckers servicing our client were being regularly hijacked, sometimes for the contents of the trailer, sometimes just for parts off the truck, it was already getting dangerous for truckers. People didn’t like to travel between cities at night for fear of the highway patrol.

Members of the federal government, or relatives, were being gunned down in broad daylight for reasons you could surmise but not know. But at least at that time foreigners weren’t targeted, and I still had the sensation of it being as you say a peaceful, but lively, fun place. I always assumed this is where I would retire someday, I always liked the country and the people.

I’ve been re-thinking that plan, though. There are other places where the people are just as nice, the country’s moving parts just as fascinating, the beaches and town squares and music and food, well maybe not the food, but you know what I mean.


23 posted on 10/07/2010 1:23:18 PM PDT by marron
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To: re_nortex

The Dems have been very successful at giving the La Raza image, but until fairly recently, when a lot of money flowed into it, La Raza was a loser left-over 1970s college Marxist group that did nothing but turn up a Socialist Worker meetings and marches. Obviously, the Dems managed to convince some college age Mexican-Americans or Mexican American politicians that this was the way to riches, but a mass adherence to La Raza is pretty recent. However, the left has the money and it will only get worse (although I did read that Hispanics were backing off from Obama, probably as they realized how much he really hates them deep down inside).

Go and look at most of the Central Valley and other parts of CA, and you’ll see nice middle class and lower middle class Mexican American suburbs with Ford trucks in the driveway. They go to church on Sunday and they like to go to the mall in the afternoon.

However, I think that with the “new America” fostered by Obama, where nobody gets to have anything because it might be “greedy” for anybody but Obama to have anything, I bet you’re going to see a lot of disappointment among the Hispanics who were dumb enough to vote for him. They are, in general, entrepreneurial and want to get ahead and have things, and there will be a clash between his socialist vision and their ideals.

That said, the dependant urban welfare class is a whole different matter, but that’s probably true of any group.


24 posted on 10/07/2010 1:56:28 PM PDT by livius
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To: marron

Yes, I wouldn’t move to Mexico either. Once upon a time, they might have mugged you (if you were another Mexican) but they wouldn’t have killed you. Heck, I got mugged in New York, even though I grew up there and lived much of my life there. Still, it’s not pleasant, and people get way too tolerant of dysfunction.

But I think there’s much more behind this violence than anybody is admitting. I think it has to do with the radical left, and one of the reasons it has accelerated is precisely because the left feels very empowered now because of Obama’s sympathy and because they really and truly hate Calderon for having won the election and daring to attack them.


25 posted on 10/07/2010 2:00:42 PM PDT by livius
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To: Cindy; Lorianne; Wage Slave; HushTX; HoustonCurmudgeon; Bad~Rodeo; laotzu; NeverForgetBataan; ...

Ping!

If you want on, or off this S. Texas/Mexico ping list, please FReepMail me.


26 posted on 10/07/2010 4:30:53 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: Cindy

Well, according to Wendy Murphy, the wife is to blame:

“Mexican ‘Pirates’? — Why We First Suspect the Spouse

By Wendy Murphy

Published October 07, 2010

| FoxNews.com

Twenty-nine year-old Tiffany Hartley says her husband was shot in the head by Mexican pirates earlier this week while the couple was riding jet skis on Falcon Lake at the Texas-Mexico border.

Claiming her husband fell face first in the water and that she tried to pull him out, Tiffany blamed God for why she left him and fled to safety. “I just keep hearing God tell me ‘You have to go, you have to go,’” she told one reporter.

No doubt God speaks to people in times of crisis, but it’s a bit convenient that He advised her to save her own skin. Let’s just say that’s not necessarily the Godly thing to do.

But even if there’s an ethic there that makes religious sense, there are lots of hard facts that make it very difficult to believe anything about Tiffany Hartley’s story...”

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/10/06/wendy-murphy-mexico-texas-tiffany-hartley-pirates-lake-jet-ski-shot-head-god/


27 posted on 10/07/2010 5:05:11 PM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: re_nortex

“And so many Mexicans living here want the United States to become just like their corrupt, violent third world sewer. Disgusting.”

And I keep asking myself WHY?? Why would anyone want to leave that kind of society/government to your children? And yet, as you say, they DEMAND it be all brought here.

The only answer I can glean from it, is because they LIKE it that way. The citizens responsibility of a constitutional republic is just not they way they think.
It’s not their experience....mordida, lie, cheat, steal is.

Poll: Mexicans say Mexican-Americans Owe Loyalty to Mexico Over U.S.
Thu Oct 15 11:51:17 2009 ·

(CNSNews.com) - Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans – including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty to Mexico, not the U.S.


28 posted on 10/07/2010 7:02:16 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: SuzyQue; All

People better wake up to the danger of Mexico!

Sheriff: Evidence supports wife’s account in pirate attack
By Kevin Vaughan
The Denver Post

[snip]ZAPATA, TEXAS — Blood, witness accounts and other unspecified evidence all corroborate the version of events laid out by a Colorado woman whose husband is missing and presumed dead after an attack on a lake straddling the Mexican border, the sheriff leading the investigation said this afternoon.

Zapata County Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez Jr. detailed some of the reasons he does not doubt that David Hartley, a 30-year-old Loveland native, was murdered a week ago by a drug gang on Falcon Lake, a 44-mile long waterway bisected by the U.S.-Mexico border.

http://www.denverpost.com/headlines/ci_16279531
Posted:10/07/2010

Eyewitness in Alleged Mexican Pirate Attack Case Comes Forward [ Mexico blocks US from search ]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2603445/posts

A Fishing Paradise Gains a Deadly Reputation
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/08/us/08pirate.html?_r=2

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The shooting was the latest in a string of attacks by pirates on the lake that began on April 30. The gangs carry AK-47s and sometimes claim to be Mexican federal police or American game wardens. They have sometimes hijacked high-prowed boats favored by Mexican fishermen and used them to chase down Americans in bass boats, stealing their money at gunpoint.

But Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez of Zapata County, on the Texas side of the lake, has said that Mrs. Hartley’s story is credible and that the assault is in keeping with other recent robberies, some of which happened in the same part of the lake.

On April 30, for example, two boats carrying five tourists who wanted photographs of the Guerrero church were robbed at gunpoint by four heavily tattooed men in a fishing boat who identified themselves as “federales.” They demanded cash and even asked, “Where are the drugs?”

A week later, on May 6, three fishermen were robbed at gunpoint near Salado Island. On May 16, another group of boaters was robbed, again by armed men in a fishing boat on the United States side of the reservoir.

More recently, a gang of pirates in a small boat, with “Game Wardin” spelled out in duct tape, tried to stop a Texas fisherman, the police said. The Texan figured the misspelled word meant they were not really game wardens and outran them, the police said.

The governor has also staunchly defended Mrs. Hartley against anyone who doubts her account, saying he finds such theories “really reprehensible.”


29 posted on 10/08/2010 9:09:06 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Cindy; pissant; All

Mexico Spinning Out of Control?

-Ambassador John Bolton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJtdP6s1G70


30 posted on 10/08/2010 9:14:59 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

Thanks for the link Aunt B.


31 posted on 10/08/2010 11:13:44 AM PDT by Cindy
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