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Beethoven
2010/11/05 | WesternCulture

Posted on 11/04/2010 7:19:12 PM PDT by WesternCulture

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Freepers who are musicians like myself can point to the musical genius of Beethoven as proof of God. No entity could randomly provide the talent that provides such complexity and beauty. Listening especially the 3rd movement of his 5th almost transposes me into a different realm of thought.


21 posted on 11/04/2010 8:02:11 PM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: 50mm

Too few people of today listen to Beethoven’s 9th symphony.

I like Sarkozy.

He probably has done so.

But all too few people of any influence in this world rely in this comforting tune of wisdom, moderation and religion.


22 posted on 11/04/2010 8:04:02 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: catfish1957

Brain fart...sorry, I meant 4th movement.


23 posted on 11/04/2010 8:05:07 PM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: Gapplega

I don’t think it was just “Nazi Bastards” that died in the firestorm of Dresden. Thousands upon thousands of German refugees fleeing the Russian onslaught (particularly the women who were getting raped and butchered by the Soviets) had fled to Dresden as it was not a military target. Unfortunately, the allies decided to bomb these civilian targets into oblivion. Does the wonton killing of one civilian population make things right somehow?


24 posted on 11/04/2010 8:08:12 PM PDT by northwinds
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To: WesternCulture
This guy took a piece of great lyrics, put music to it and made the most admired symphony of all ages, while being DEAF - and you call him a “musical” genius.

Absolutely. Another example of Bach's musical genius is with the Prelude in C Major by JS Bach from the Well-Tempered Clavier.

This piece of music cycles through chords that are Major, Minor, Dominant 7th, Minor 7th, Slash chords, Dominant 7th b9th, Diminished and even Suspended 4ths. BWV 846-893 and dated 1722, THAT too is pure musical genius.


25 posted on 11/04/2010 8:09:59 PM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: WesternCulture
I prefer Sergei Rachmaninov to Beethoven. Rach's "Piano Concerto No. 2 in C Minor" will forever be etched in my mind.


26 posted on 11/04/2010 8:12:11 PM PDT by 50mm (I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: WesternCulture

Youtube used to have an outstanding version of Beethoven’s 9th conducted by Herbert Von Karajan. There were two parts to it, each over 30 minutes. It was pulled and I can’t find it anymore. I’d love to find it on DVD.


27 posted on 11/04/2010 8:13:57 PM PDT by BBell
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To: catfish1957

“Freepers who are musicians like myself can point to the musical genius of Beethoven as proof of God. No entity could randomly provide the talent that provides such complexity and beauty. Listening especially the 3rd movement of his 5th almost transposes me into a different realm of thought.”

- I sincerely appreciated your comment and we could all learn a from it.

Music is a magic world unexplored.

Best of regards from Gothenburg, a Lutheran stronghold where people know how to read although boasting very dirty nails.

WesternCulture


28 posted on 11/04/2010 8:14:00 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: 50mm

You sure have some taste.


29 posted on 11/04/2010 8:15:10 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

30 posted on 11/04/2010 8:15:42 PM PDT by BBell
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To: WesternCulture
Too few people of today listen to Beethoven’s 9th symphony.

The 9th is second only to the 5th in popularity, I suspect.

I prefer his Late Sting Quartets. ...especially the Große Fuge.

Nothing like listening to a bit of the ole Ludwig Van.

31 posted on 11/04/2010 8:17:36 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: WesternCulture
And I'm nuts.


32 posted on 11/04/2010 8:19:33 PM PDT by 50mm (I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
String Quartets, that is.

I don't think Sting has written any quartets, but I could be wrong.

33 posted on 11/04/2010 8:23:23 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: WesternCulture

Thank you. I do so enjoy your posts and your observations.


34 posted on 11/04/2010 8:24:11 PM PDT by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: BBell

HVK’s 1966 Berlin Symph. performance of the 5th has just been reinstated on You Tube after an absence. I feel it is the greatest documented live musical performance in history.


35 posted on 11/04/2010 8:31:02 PM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: WesternCulture

When they opened Beethoven’s tomb they found him sitting there erasing notes from a pile of sheet music.

He was decomposing.


36 posted on 11/04/2010 8:32:54 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: 50mm

Oooh... Viddy the glorious Ninth!

So what’s it going to be then, eh? Me and me droogs were down at the Korova milk bar...


37 posted on 11/04/2010 8:33:17 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: WesternCulture

Beethoven is the greatest composer ever. Period.


38 posted on 11/04/2010 8:33:29 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: WesternCulture

Now, now, don’t be offended. Beethoven was a musical genius—that is to say, he was a genius who expressed his understanding of reality through music, and enlarged us all in the process; there is no insult in the expression. Einstein expressed his genius and his understanding of reality through the mathematical formulae that expressed the general theory—it is the same principle. In both cases their work represents the study of a lifetime for most of us.


39 posted on 11/04/2010 8:36:05 PM PDT by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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What was the point of “Immortal Beloved”?

The search for the "immortal beloved" was just a plot device upon which to hang the basic story of Beethoven and to introduce the masses to his towering talent and the story of his struggles. Just like the fictional Salieri/Mozart rivalry in Amadeus intoduced the masses to Mozart.

40 posted on 11/04/2010 8:36:47 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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