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ATF should be abolished and their few useful functions taken over by the FBI.
1 posted on 11/12/2010 6:31:19 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Exactly and DHS and DEA and ...


2 posted on 11/12/2010 6:46:56 AM PST by Errant
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Held, pelletgun, blowgun, spitball/straw (i.e., a gun that expels a projectile using compressed air, carbon dioxide, lung gases, propane, cow flatulence, or similar gas) replicas of Brazilian dart blowngun or NYC zipguns variant firearms that provide housing for lips and tongue firing mechanism with substantially the same design as Brazilian lethal dart blowgun receivers, and mounting points for attaching an upper assembly containing a long barrel and lip mounting, are “firearm frames or receivers,” and are, therefore, “firearms,” as that term is defined by 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(3)(B), and its implementing regulation, 27 CFR 478.11., unless excepted by authors of this ruling who are blowing hot air, which is in vast supply and thus need not be subject to the above regulations and penalties, unless accompanied by young topless Brazilian tribal jungle virgins bearing said firearms in search of tree monkeys.


3 posted on 11/12/2010 6:47:43 AM PST by bunkerhill7
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To: marktwain
Nice of them to publish the instructions....
4 posted on 11/12/2010 6:50:54 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (What flavor Kool-aid are you drinking?)
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To: marktwain

What exactly is the argument that leads to the conclusion they should be abolished?

Are you saying that the airguns cannot be easily converted into real handguns? Or that it shouldn’t matter if they can or not?

Because the 2nd argument seems to be one about the law, which is a congressional function. The 1st argument may be true — it is clear they were able to modify the guns to fire real bullets, but I can’t tell from the description if either gun conversions were trivial enough to fall under the applicable law.

If I had to judge from the description, I would say the 1st sounds like it could be easy, since it seemed to just involve a replacement part. The 2nd included drilling holes, and replacing multiple parts, and it seems that at some point you could convert anything into a gun, if you just kept replacing parts until it worked.

I had to ban a neighbor’s kid from bringing his airsoft gun into my house, because my he and my son used it for a parody suicide video (these are where one kid tries to kill themselves, but is so inept they end up killing their friend who is helping them).

We don’t have guns in our house, but I still thought my son was smart enough not to point a gun at his own head and pull the trigger, even though it was only an airsoft gun. But it sure looked like a real gun.


6 posted on 11/12/2010 6:53:52 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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I would only disagree on the point that no federal LE should exist. Once a function goes to DC theres no longer any substantive control or oversight available to the electorate. At the state level the people can rein things in. THis means they’re mostly used as punishment/control tools of the pols furthering their agendas.

As for the airgun thing you must remember this is the ATF, home and champion of contorted rulings. Really the ATF is nothing more than a political tool to be used to control the people by making nasty work of them in a very public and painful way. See Waco for how they treat any attempt at pushing back. They have their idea of ‘justice’ and how it should be applied. A simple thing like the Constitution or the courts rarely stand in their way.


7 posted on 11/12/2010 7:05:23 AM PST by 556x45
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Not entirely apropos to the discussion, but an interesting thing happened around here a few nights ago.

I had bought an airsoft gun (a Colt 1911 replica) a few years ago on a whim, and never really used it. It's just entirely too plastic for me to even enjoy.

The other night, a little bird flew in the front door. We had a great deal of frustrating fun trying to catch it, with various box and net contraptions, kids tripping all over each other, but no success. The sparrow was bouncing off of everything, and eventually ended up in a clerestory area about 25 feet high, well out of reach.

Well something had to be done. I whacked at it with a long stick but to no avail. One of my sons remembered the airsoft gun. Figuring that was more-or-less safe to fire in the house, out it came.

A couple of rounds from the airsoft and the bird was on the floor. I don't think it injured the bird, just knocked it down, and the cats took control of the situation at that point. I can't be sure of the pellet's damage.

That's the entirety of my airsoft experience. So far as any federal control of the things, that's ridiculous but not surprising. And I fear that it will take more than foam pellets to stop the monsters in DC.

8 posted on 11/12/2010 7:08:19 AM PST by RetroSexual
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WACO should have provided all the evidence necessary to do just as you suggest, except the FBI was just as, if not more complicit in the deadly results. Oversight, oversight, oversight. Und Aufwiedersehen, NOT, to the BATFE. Any more additions to the letters and yew might as well add the whole alphabet, as that is where they are headed.

Jobless is where they should be rather than daily dreaming up new work for their anti constitutional agenda.

PS, Auf Wiedersehen may not sound right, but it isn’t just goodby, more literally it is till we meet again. that is why the NOT.


10 posted on 11/12/2010 7:23:27 AM PST by wita
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WACO should have provided all the evidence necessary to do just as you suggest, except the FBI was just as, if not more complicit in the deadly results. Oversight, oversight, oversight. Und Aufwiedersehen, NOT, to the BATFE. Any more additions to the letters and yew might as well add the whole alphabet, as that is where they are headed.

Jobless is where they should be rather than daily dreaming up new work for their anti constitutional agenda.

PS, Auf Wiedersehen may not sound right, but it isn’t just goodby, more literally it is till we meet again. that is why the NOT.


11 posted on 11/12/2010 7:23:38 AM PST by wita
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To: marktwain

Bastards A-holes Tyrants and Fornicators (BATF)


12 posted on 11/12/2010 7:25:51 AM PST by JohnKinAK
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Funny how they rolled “compressed air” into that one, when the internals of a compressed air airsoft gun aren’t one bit related to the internals of a gas or CO2 airsoft gun. Mine is an all-electric M4A1 that shoots at a mere fraction of the joules and FPS of a real gun, and would fore sure blow to smithereens if it was modified to fire a real explosive bullet.

It’s more about what a previous poster said, kids getting tactical experience. I don’t see them going after paintball guns like this. Perhaps it’s because paintball is more “motocross flashy” and airsoft is more tactical mil-sim.


16 posted on 11/12/2010 8:21:09 AM PST by derekr44
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