Mystery missile launch': Chinese missile test or airline contrail?

examiner.com ^ | 11/12/10 | Joe Newby

[justa-hairyape]

Below is a page with videos and capabilities of the NASA Black Brant IX rocket. That thing is very fast. Takes off mostly vertical.

Black Brant IX

Only way that rocket would make sense would be if perhaps they actually hit the rocket with the laser for the first time. Affected its speed and trajectory.

[Cindy]

Snippet from your post:

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“It is however perfectly true that there are missile launches in that area, some of them secret .”

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Thanks for the ping gandalftb.

[RaceBannon]

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I think it was the Chinese.... they popped up right in the middle of one of our other contingents near Taiwan and no one knew it was there either... what a fool CIC and the joint chiefs and a complicit one... like he said, no way this was an accident... that low-life, scumbag, bottom-feeding, communist SOB... Tish

Subject: Fw: More Missile Intel
More info on the missiles off calif,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Jack
God Bless America and all those who have and are fighting for her.

November 11, 2010
FC2- ANDREW/ RET

Hello Steve, Finally there is something that has occurred, in which I am actually an expert and qualified to give a real answer about.

I am a retired U.S. Navy FireControl Technician, who is platform certified in the gun and missile systems on board Adams class guided missile destroyers, I have also worked with the Navy’s Harpoon, Tomahawk and ASROC missile systems. (FireControl Techs operate, maintain and repair the computer, radar and periphial systems used to launch and guide the various naval weapon systems, we are the guys who “PUSH THE BUTTON”)

Anyway, what I saw in the recent video concerning the object 30 miles off the coast of CA. Is blatently a foreign made, Large Cruise or ICBM missile, being launched by a sub-surface aquatic platform. First I
know its a large missile because it did not exhibit the typical “corkscrewing” trajectory of a beam riding missile as it trys to acquire the targeting beam. This tells me its a Big Boy with a complete guidance system installed in it, what is nicknamed a “fire and forget” missile, as once its launched its internal guidance system takes over and there is no real need for external guidance.

Secondly, I’m fairly confident its not one of ours, as the vapor trail appears “dirty” it looks brownish. I have personally been involved in (5) SM2 missile launches, and (2) ASROC missile launches, and have
been on safety observation for at least 15 more launches of Harpoons, Tomahawks and other missiles. We put a lot of sweat and money into our “birds” and part of that is the fuel cells, they burn very clean, a
whitish-blue infact, not a dirty blackish brown. That missile had rather crude fuel cells, which tells me its not one of ours.

I bet the brass in Washington is freaked out big time, because of what I know of our “defenses” they should really have had a pretty good idea this thing was sitting there, and they should have been watching
it, not only that the moment it broke the surface of the water and ignited our early warning dopplar should have picked it up, and relayed the info to NORAD, and the CAP units flying patrol over the
country...

Any high ranking expert who believes this is a condensation trail off of a commercial airliner is lying or stupid. I hope you hear from other Fire Control Techs who saw the same thing I did!

I forgot something, as any Firecontrol Tech or Gunnersmate will verify, the protocals to launch a missile are so complex, there is no way this was an “accidental” launch. I do not want to share too much info, but there is no “one red button” to launch a missile, that’s all hollywood B.S. Yes two keys are turned to arm the system, but it takes at least three other things to occur in proper sequence to launch a bird, so that’s at least 5 people all doing something at the right time. Its impossible to accidentally lauch a missile! FC2- ANDREW/ RET

[jersey117]

Thank you for posting that information. I am as far from an expert as you can get but I just can’t shake this story. I have watched the video over and over and cannot accept the contrail explanation. To my eye, it clearly comes up from the sea.

[justa-hairyape]

Wow. What do you all think about the story below. It is in a conspiracy blog. Mad_as_he$$ posted it to another thread. Please note I do not have any opinion formulated about this story yet. Just posting it for discussion. My gut first says conspiracy blog, probably junk, but what about the plume observations ?

LA Plane Theory is blown out of the sky US missed Chinese Missile

[Last Dakotan]

What I took from this whole discussion was a surprise at how little Americans trust their government to keep them safe, and how much anxiety there is toward the rise of the Chinese.

[gandalftb]

Perspective is difficult in this video. However, the observer was inland or east of the event. The plume narrows as it passes progressively through clouds that are more brightly lit by the setting sun, therefore higher clouds, therefore it seems that the object is rising in an arc'ed trajectory.

The visual size of the object decreases as it rises, due partially to increased vertical distance. However, the size decreases too much to be explained by vertical gain, so I conclude that the object is traveling away from the observer and flying to the west.

Of course that contradicts an inbound aircraft. Also, aircraft fly relatively level.

The characteristics of the plume are the strongest evidence, its color and density are not that of contrails.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks gandalftb. The only foreign non-power which would risk it is North Korea, but that isn’t too likely.

[justa-hairyape]

Should probably keep this speculation to the old threads. But looks like we had a Chinese Sub, launch a missile away from US mainland. They were in the Economic Zone but not inside our Territorial Zone. So the launch was from ‘Chinese Property’. They were shooting away from us. Sinking the sub would have started WWIII. Does it look like we might have tried to shoot it down ? If we did not even try then we are in big trouble. Undetected Chinese subs launching so close that we cannot intercept ?