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The 'We Won't Fly' Plan for Defeating TSA Porno-Scanners and Airport Rent-a-Gropers!
Dittos Rush! ^ | 11-16-10 | James

Posted on 11/16/2010 9:22:43 AM PST by iloveamerica1980

Brought to you by: http://wewontfly.com/. They are presently "campaigning" for the following in this video:

"Stop flying. Hit the airlines in the wallet until the porno-scanners are gone. If you must fly, opt out for your own health and privacy. Overwhelm the gropers until they rollback the madness. Meanwhile write letters, send emails, make phone calls, tweet and post on facebook. In other words, raise all hell."


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1 posted on 11/16/2010 9:22:45 AM PST by iloveamerica1980
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To: iloveamerica1980

It may cost more but there are many private pilots out across America looking for charters.
2 posted on 11/16/2010 9:24:33 AM PST by Eye of Unk (If your enemy is quick to anger, seek to irritate him. Sun Tzu, The Art of War.)
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To: iloveamerica1980

I’m not sure how overwhelming the gropers will be helpful, since it would require me to arrive at the airport even earlier than I do now. If everyone opts out, the lines would be incredibly long with more and more people missing their flights.


3 posted on 11/16/2010 9:25:03 AM PST by ChocChipCookie
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To: ChocChipCookie

No groping for the train......yet.


4 posted on 11/16/2010 9:26:34 AM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: Eye of Unk

We checked into Flex Jet. Its not too bad especially if you have 5-6 people going together.


5 posted on 11/16/2010 9:26:37 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2
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To: iloveamerica1980

Would you rather have your private parts scanned or get blown out of the sky by a crotch bomber?


6 posted on 11/16/2010 9:29:23 AM PST by McGruff (A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs)
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To: iloveamerica1980

This is madness. When will they get gynecologists for the hiding places they can’t ‘pat’ and whatever it’s called for men? Besides, the problems they are so-called ‘fighting’ are not occuring in the US. These people are getting on planes overseas, so what the heck are we doing putting up with this?


7 posted on 11/16/2010 9:29:56 AM PST by Ruth C
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To: iloveamerica1980

I would say I’ll never fly again as long as I live. But, I have an elderly mother who lives 1200 miles away. Takes almost 3 days to drive it. Otherwise, as long as this is going on I won’t be flying. I’ll take a bus, car, or train, or I just won’t go.


8 posted on 11/16/2010 9:31:28 AM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

A lot of Americans won’t fly unless in a flock, being an Alaskan I am used to the concept of trusting a pilot, and frankly I enjoy being in the co-pilot seat myself.

I started flying lessons years ago but was detoured.

I would pass the word everyday to as many people as I can, there ARE other choices, we are NOT limited to having being herded and goaded with cattle prods into the flying cattle cars.

We can help private pilots, we can ignore big sis, and we can do it safely with no fear of a fellow passenger exploding fake body parts.


9 posted on 11/16/2010 9:33:32 AM PST by Eye of Unk (If your enemy is quick to anger, seek to irritate him. Sun Tzu, The Art of War.)
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To: ChocChipCookie

Yup, if fighting totalitarianism is inconvenient we should not do it and just submit. I am really surprised our founding fathers inconvenienced themselves to establish this country, it would have been a lot easier and safer to just submit.

Give me liberty or give me slavery, whatever, I don’t care I just don’t want to be inconvenienced.


10 posted on 11/16/2010 9:34:00 AM PST by HerrBlucher (Defund, repeal, investigate, impeach, convict, jail, celebrate.)
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To: McGruff
"Would you rather have your private parts scanned or get blown out of the sky by a crotch bomber?"

I'd rather have Jihad Stopped NOW!

11 posted on 11/16/2010 9:34:08 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: iloveamerica1980

By Law use of TSA is NOT Mandatory - Airports have the right to use private security - also TSA FAILs to adopt Israeli Techniques http://bit.ly/c56t01

{WHO Knew?}


12 posted on 11/16/2010 9:35:27 AM PST by VRWCTexan (Those who forget history, are doomed to repeat it !)
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To: McGruff
Would you rather have your private parts scanned or get blown out of the sky by a crotch bomber?

The biggest threat to commercial aircraft is shoulder-fired missiles, and all the high school dropouts in the world grabbing you gonads won't make you one bit safer from them.

13 posted on 11/16/2010 9:40:24 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The people who hate Sarah Palin hate her because they know that her Presidency is inevitable.)
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To: Eye of Unk
I guess they would have been perfectly fine getting on any of those fine four planes on 9/11 where they did not have any security procedures. People are so stupid. It is clear that Americans don't remember that four planes were lost on 9/11. Well these idiots are not ones I want on the plane anyway. Good riddance. Shorter lines for all the rest of us.
14 posted on 11/16/2010 9:41:41 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: MsLady

I’ll fly again, when this all blows over someday....and it will!


15 posted on 11/16/2010 9:41:47 AM PST by iloveamerica1980 (Topop)
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To: HerrBlucher

Oh please. There are a multitude of ways to fight against this. I was just pointing out that not many travelers will be willing to arrive an extra 2-3 hours early and/or miss their flights. If the gropers are swamped, believe me, they will be just as happy if people miss flights. What do they care?

I’m more of the mindset that we should place an enormous amount of pressure on their airlines. They will be the ones hit most directly by any sort of backlash, not TSA. They need to bring in their big gun lobbyists and pressure Congress until the TSA is de-funded, and at the same time, bring lawsuits against this unspeakable infringement on our rights.


16 posted on 11/16/2010 9:42:45 AM PST by ChocChipCookie
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To: napscoordinator

Well it is a catch-22, we need the security obviously, and obviously its creating discomfort to many.

Here is hoping the discomfort leads to many “scratching” the itch.

Stupid people complain for the inconvenience, they should have taken a fiemer stance against the core of this problem, I’m actually very satisfied people are getting all wee wee’d up, maybe somebody will start a Rosa Parks change.


17 posted on 11/16/2010 9:48:04 AM PST by Eye of Unk (If your enemy is quick to anger, seek to irritate him. Sun Tzu, The Art of War.)
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To: ChocChipCookie

I support any and all means to stop this madness, regardless of inconvenience, but I agree defunding should be primary.

We can also get a meme going that TSA gropers are perverts and child molestors, thereby making it embarassing to even work for the TSA. They can get back what dish out.


18 posted on 11/16/2010 9:48:45 AM PST by HerrBlucher (Defund, repeal, investigate, impeach, convict, jail, celebrate.)
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To: McGruff

your private parts are currently being scanned because a jihadist successfully hid a bomb in his panties and the TSA launched these porno-scanners to detect panty bombs.

when the jihadists go to their next logical step (actually, they already have!) and hide bombs up their bum, what will your reaction be to the TSA’s predictable course of action?

will your reaction then be “Would you rather have all your cavities probed or get blown out of the sky by a bum bomber”

don’t forget, there’s no guarantee AT ALL that a panty bomber will be caught under the current no-profiling system!! not everyone is forced to go through the porno scanners. in fact, i suspect, based on recent observations while traveling, that many fewer females are currently forced to go through the porno scanners than males because of political correctness (when i flew the other day, i didn’t see a single female directed to the porno scanners...only males).


19 posted on 11/16/2010 9:50:46 AM PST by mreerm
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To: McGruff

your private parts are currently being scanned because a jihadist successfully hid a bomb in his panties and the TSA launched these porno-scanners to detect panty bombs.

when the jihadists go to their next logical step (actually, they already have!) and hide bombs up their bum, what will your reaction be to the TSA’s predictable course of action?

will your reaction then be “Would you rather have all your cavities probed or get blown out of the sky by a bum bomber”

don’t forget, there’s no guarantee AT ALL that a panty bomber will be caught under the current no-profiling system!! not everyone is forced to go through the porno scanners. in fact, i suspect, based on recent observations while traveling, that many fewer females are currently forced to go through the porno scanners than males because of political correctness (when i flew the other day, i didn’t see a single female directed to the porno scanners...only males).


20 posted on 11/16/2010 9:51:04 AM PST by mreerm
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To: napscoordinator
It is clear that Americans don't remember that four planes were lost on 9/11. Well these idiots are not ones I want on the plane anyway. Good riddance. Shorter lines for all the rest of us.

It's not that they've forgotten so much as they still think it's more convenient to fly and values have lowered so much that an invasive groping is nothing. I haven't flown in years and have no intention to ever do so in the future. I've marked anything off the mainland off my vacation list so anywhere I want to go I'll drive myself.

21 posted on 11/16/2010 9:53:30 AM PST by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: McGruff
Would you rather have your private parts scanned or get blown out of the sky by a crotch bomber?

BS. These scanners aren't going to stop a single crotch bomber. Israel knows this, which is why they call them 'worthless'.

All any self-respecting terrorist need do is shove his bomb up his rectum or female bomber the other cavity. These scanners don't detect anything underneath the skin. Upon being 'cleared' all the terrorist need do is find the nearest restroom facility prior to boarding (or after in the plane's restroom), remove said bomb, and place it in his/her carryon. An hour later, KABOOM. Now if a little old gramma can figure this out in five minutes you known darn well a terrorist can!

Israel knows this too which is why they profile and interrogate and have a 100% sucess rate. If our govt were truly interested in protecting its citizens rather than humiliating our citizens we would be PROFILING! This isn't about safety. This is about control. Every tyrannical govt always, ALWAYS, takes away freedoms by informing the citizenry its 'for their own safety' or for their 'own good' without exception. Nice to see you rolling over for these tyrants giving up every inch of your liberty.

And if we don't fight back now with the airports, what makes you think these things won't be installed at the work place, sporting events, schools, etc. until the govt has control over every aspect of your life where humiliation and degradation is no obstacle to their fascist agenda? My parting shot to cowards who would defend this abomination:

He who would give away his liberty for a little personal safety, deserves neither liberty nor safety - Benjamin Franklin

22 posted on 11/16/2010 9:56:48 AM PST by conservativegramma
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To: McGruff

How many terrorist plots has the TSA discovered in all their many years controlling our nation’s airports? The answer is NONE! If you’ll recall, that underwear bomber was ON THE PLANE.

One problem we have is that Janet Napolitano is incompetent and without any imagination or creativity. The terrorists will always, ALWAYS be many steps ahead of her. All she knows how to do is react in the most blundering way possible. We joke about cavity inspections, but you just gotta know that is EXACTLY what she will try to enforce when a terrorist is discovered with an explosive up his/her ass. She’s predictable and dull.

America continues to turn a blind eye to the time-proven security methods of El Al. I guess it’s more politically correct to have Muslims do groping inspections of nuns and children than to admit that Muslims are the ONLY ones who have tried to blow up planes.


23 posted on 11/16/2010 9:58:16 AM PST by ChocChipCookie
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To: iloveamerica1980
I am just asking for information, for a friend. He recently discovered it was actually less embarrassing to be examined by a female doctor.

Nothing sexual of course, or creepy, just more comfortable, like being being more secure and confidential.

My question for him is, since there is obviously nothing sexual about the TSA procedures, if he asks for a female TSA agent to be assigned to search him, will he get in trouble?

Will they comply with his request?

Does he have to actually be flying some place or can he just periodically drop by to help fight terrorism?

I told him I didn't think he could be turned gay by a male TSA agent rubbing him the wrong way since this is obviously not sexual.

If however the TSA agent was gay and that is the way to bet, and the agent was enjoying the search, he could be considered a loose skank, though legally not a prostitute unless he got an upgrade or something.

Your help is appreciated.

24 posted on 11/16/2010 10:01:30 AM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: iloveamerica1980

After you’ve been sexually groped by government hands, sue the gay or lesbian groper who groped a little too passionately.


25 posted on 11/16/2010 10:04:07 AM PST by Reagan69 (Let me know when those health insurance premiums go down.)
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To: rightwingextremist1776

That is planned, along with long haul bus terminals. Also in larger urban subway stations.


26 posted on 11/16/2010 10:07:15 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: iloveamerica1980

Admendment IV to the US Constitution. Print it and bring it with you when you fly. Take extra copies and distribute it to others.


27 posted on 11/16/2010 10:08:29 AM PST by del4hope (Admendment IV to the US Constitution. Print it and bring it with you when you fly.)
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To: conservativegramma

Isreal’s technique would have caught BOTH the shoe bomber and the underwear bomber. OUR SUPER-NEW TECHNOLOGY SCANNERS would likely as not have caught either, as best I understand. In other words the TSA police-state-style screening has failed BIG TIME twice.


28 posted on 11/16/2010 10:09:03 AM PST by bvw
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To: McGruff
Would you rather have your private parts scanned or get blown out of the sky by a crotch bomber?

What do you do about a crotch bomber that inserts said bomb where the groper can't feel it?

29 posted on 11/16/2010 10:11:35 AM PST by houeto ("You know, I actually believe my own bullsh_t," --- BHO)
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To: McGruff
Would you rather have your private parts scanned or get blown out of the sky by a crotch bomber?

Well, since you asked, I would prefer to have moslems profiled rather than witness my child get assaulted by some piece of crap government worker.

Clear enough?

30 posted on 11/16/2010 10:11:42 AM PST by The Iceman Cometh (What do Snap-On and Obama have in common? They're both tools.)
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To: McGruff

No one has answered my question about feminine hygiene products being used by women... they could hold explosives... who is going to examine those?


31 posted on 11/16/2010 10:20:49 AM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: McGruff

I would rather have the crotch bomber subject to profiling.

Sort of how the Israeli’s have kept them off flights since 69.


32 posted on 11/16/2010 10:24:13 AM PST by fruser1
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To: iloveamerica1980

TSA Now Putting Hands Down Fliers’ Pants http://sn.im/1gs85w


33 posted on 11/16/2010 10:24:33 AM PST by VRWCTexan (Those who forget history, are doomed to repeat it !)
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To: McGruff

I dont see those as the only two possibilities. Ive done many flights without getting scanned and have not been blown up.


34 posted on 11/16/2010 10:35:24 AM PST by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

“That is planned, along with long haul bus terminals. Also in larger urban subway stations.”

I am starting to suspect another motivation behind this. The discouragement of any long distance travel. It’s just not “green”. No one should venture beyond their village. Unless one is a member of the nomenklatura.


35 posted on 11/16/2010 10:46:50 AM PST by Fred Hayek (FUBO! I salute you with the soles of my shoes.)
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To: McGruff

Would you rather have your private parts scanned or get blown out of the sky by a crotch bomber?


Brown-shirt logic.


36 posted on 11/16/2010 10:47:43 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: iloveamerica1980

what a joke. I plan I flying. I have no problem with those full body scans, or pat downs..

big friggin deal.


37 posted on 11/16/2010 10:48:12 AM PST by Chuzzlewit
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To: McGruff

Would you rather have your private parts scanned or get blown out of the sky by a crotch bomber?


Your post begs the question of whether the enhanced scanning really makes a significant difference in the risks travelers face.

(ALERT: I USED THE PHRASE “BEGS THE QUESTION” CORRECTLY, UNLIKE 99% OF THOSE WHO USE IT AS A SNOBBY WAY OF SAYING ‘RAISES THE QUESTION”).


38 posted on 11/16/2010 10:49:39 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: VRWCTexan

OMG! ENOUGH!

Why can’t we sue and arrest these perverts???


39 posted on 11/16/2010 10:50:21 AM PST by conservativegramma
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To: HerrBlucher

We can also get a meme going that TSA gropers are perverts and child molestors, thereby making it embarassing to even work for the TSA.


However, those who are so drawn to the joy of being paid to exercise their perversions will overcome the stigma, and all we will have are perverts on the job.


40 posted on 11/16/2010 10:52:10 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Beelzebubba

Can you show me a case where a would-be bomber was caught by scanning? Seems all that I can remember are those that have been while in-flight, after take off, while in shipment, etc. We would be better off if we scanned crowds using trained behavior observor, questioned prospective travelers at checkin, also with trained personnel and did some rudimentary background checks on reserved passengers.

Funny, it seems to work with the Isaelis. This “would you rather...” craps don’t hunt....


41 posted on 11/16/2010 10:54:59 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Your post seems misaddressed to me.


42 posted on 11/16/2010 10:56:38 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Beelzebubba

Yes, You’re correct. McGruff.....Ah apologize pardner......


43 posted on 11/16/2010 11:00:02 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: del4hope
Admendment IV to the US Constitution. Print it and bring it with you when you fly. Take extra copies and distribute it to others.

That reminds me of the old suppository joke. "No it ain't working, I might as well shoved it...

44 posted on 11/16/2010 11:05:06 AM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: McGruff

You and those of your ilk should be issued a lifetime supply of Depends since your fear of terrorists causes you to pee in your pants every day.


45 posted on 11/16/2010 11:25:48 AM PST by MayfairFly ("Your total ignorance of that which you profess to teach merits the death penalty.")
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To: Fred Hayek

Read my prior posts. That is another goal.

The main goal is to desensitize citizens into accepting being treated as criminals. Secondary goals are to negatively impact the economy (ie help tank the airlines to nationalize them and take them over) and to make interstate travel more difficult.


46 posted on 11/16/2010 11:34:55 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Fred Hayek

I should also say a fourth goal is to target people and demonize them for objecting to this crap.


47 posted on 11/16/2010 11:35:49 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: McGruff
Would you rather have your private parts scanned or get blown out of the sky by a crotch bomber?

El Al, Israel's airline, has never had a "crotch bomber", and they don't do stupid porno scans or feel everybody up like the thuggist TSA. El Al operatives are trained and actually talk to people, judging their stories. But, no, we can't have any actual security. This is America.

BTW: El Al planes have NEVER been hijacked. NEVER.

48 posted on 11/16/2010 12:22:22 PM PST by backwoods-engineer ("The Constitution is not an instrument for government to restrain the people..." -- Patrick Henry)
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To: kbennkc

Call me dense....I am not making the connection. :-?


49 posted on 11/16/2010 12:25:29 PM PST by del4hope (Admendment IV to the US Constitution. Print it and bring it with you when you fly.)
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To: del4hope
Call me dense....I am not making the connection. :-?

Not dense at all. My remark was just a stupid joke, I connected with while thinking about the futility of being absolutely right, armed with the pertinent Constitution provision, and having cops, security, and uncaring sheeple looking at us with "Don't whine about that constitution stuff, we hate whiners"

When the courts refuse to reign in the executive branch, we see how much our entire system relies on good faith cooperation. The executive branch has the cops. It is not that government and the compliant citizens don't know, it is that they do not think we will do anything.

50 posted on 11/16/2010 12:59:36 PM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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