You agree with Maureen Dowd. The Colonel should have followed orders. All orders from superiors must be obeying. Respect and do not question authority!
No good soldier ever questions an order, nor should anyone in uniform.
Posted on 12/15/2010 6:31:01 AM PST by Grand
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Orders that originated from the desk of a usurper? Huh?
Two things are needed for tyranny:
1) Audaciousness. Someone very bold.
2) Complacent and timid politicians, courts, law enforcement, and military.
So...When would you consider orders unlawful? Hm? When the military actually fires on U.S. citizens or forcibly disarms them? Oh! I forgot! Waco and New Orleans. Gee! I guess they already did that.
So as the pot slowly warms we, the frogs, let a president thumb his nose at us rather than release a few key documents.
So?...Just exactly when would the water be hot enough for you to disobey an order?
No good soldier ever questions an order, nor should anyone in uniform.
there is no need to be so dramatic.
but in regards to your question:
“Just exactly when would the water be hot enough for you to disobey an order?”
in the matter of the Presidents legitimacy, when its proven beyond doubt that he is illegitimate. Which hasnt happened.
People cant seem to distinguish between his Mob orders and the idealogy of Obama’s birth.
let me repeat this: i firmly stand with Lakin about what he says about Obama. But his orders were lawful.
orders that were set in motion before Obama was elected. Warning orders im quite sure came out and over a period of time. This wasnt just all of a sudden, “Surprise, you are deploying”...that didnt happen.
These are mobilization orders! Something Obama had no control over. In actuality, he disobeyed his commanding officer, most likely a full bird Colonel, which in turn disobeyed a General, etc...
We are governed by the Constitution and the UCMJ. what Lakin violated was the UCMJ. period.
Where's the drama? The above actually happened.
The only way LTC Lakin's orders were lawful were if they originated from a lawful source.
It is a **simple** matter to prove one's natural born citizenship. SIMPLE!!!
It is outrageous that our courts, politicians, media, and now our military leadership, as well, are letting this usurper get away with it.
How many times can we poke and prod the Constitution and the institutions of our rule of law without them finally dying? Is there enough evidence in history to prove to you that freedom can unravel literally overnight? It has happened over and over again. Why are you accusing me of "drama" for stating a historical TRUTH?
All it takes for tyranny to take hold is outrageous audaciousness and followed by ineffectual and timid hand wringing on the part of those with the power to do something about it. ( That isn't "drama". It is truth.)
So?... Again...At what point would you **finally** stop the timid hand wringing and disobey an order?
Under the UCMJ
Section 14c(2)(a)(i): Inference of lawfulness. A order requiring the performance of a military duty or act may be inferred to be lawful and it is disobeyed at the peril of the subordinate. This inference does not apply to a patently illegal order, such as one that directs the commission of a crime.
Are you claiming that, "report to your superior's office" is not a standard military duty?
The good doctor put himself in the ridiculous position of maintaining that all orders were not legitimate. So if he told a corpsman, "put a dressing on the wound and gave this antibiotic every 6 hours" it would be an illegal order and the corpsman should not follow it?
Well said. I was having trouble finding the right words to get the point across. You did much better than i.
There are lots of people on these threads who simply cannot grasp the fact that, per the Constitution and duly enacted legislation thereof, the legal requirement to obey the orders of a superior officer continues to exist regardless of what one thinks is going on with the President.
And no, simply thinking that maybe the President is illegitimate does not make every order given in the armed forces unlawful.
No one agrees? And you know this how?
I’m sick of people ****ing on this hero, myself.
“Just exactly when would the water be hot enough for you to disobey an order?”
in the matter of the Presidents legitimacy, when its proven beyond doubt that he is illegitimate. Which hasnt happened.
No, and it's never going to happen if every avenue of inquiry is blocked by every civilian and military court in the land.
Your circular argument makes no sense: (I'll disobey an order when someone proves the president is not eligible for the office. No one is allowed to take any steps, bring any lawsuit, or question the president's eligibility in any way.)
That is not a good way to solve this horrendous problem that is harming the whole country, and especially the military, God bless and keep them.
From now on, whenever I meet a military officer I will always wonder. Will he, or will he not, honor his oath to defend the Constitution.
“Your circular argument makes no sense: (I’ll disobey an order when someone proves the president is not eligible for the office. No one is allowed to take any steps, bring any lawsuit, or question the president’s eligibility in any way.)
That is not a good way to solve this horrendous problem that is harming the whole country, and especially the military, God bless and keep them.”
i was just making a point. Regardless of what we as soldiers believe, we have a duty to follow orders. Some people need to download a copy of the UCMJ online and read it.
Just because you strongly believe the president is illegitimate, doesnt mean you can disobey orders. It also doesnt mean that every order that comes down the pipeline is unlawful.
I would say to you, read the Uniform Code of Military Justice...it tells you in plain english what orders to follow or not.
Do military officers take an oath to defend the Uniform Code of Military Justice or the Constitution? ( just wondering)
So if Doc Kate is standing with Doc Lakin then does that mean she's also admitting that he was wrong to refuse to obey the lawful orders of his superior officers?
I retired an O-5, same rank as Lakin. And your point is?
But one thing you will never have to wonder is if he or she would lay down their life in the defense of you, your family, and your freedom. But just to be polite, please keep your contempt for them and what they stand for out of sight.
Then Lakin had the opportunity to show evidence how Colonel Roberts, Colonel McHugh and Lieutenant-Colonel Judd were not lawful sources. Why did he plead guilty instead of doing that?
Indeed. If the PTB make an example of enough Constitution defenders, how many will bow to tyranny to save themselves? A number larger than zero. And which ones?
Does this stand for “powers that be”?
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