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Krauthammer: 'People Are Talking about American Decline Don't Believe a Word of It'
Daily Caller ^ | 12/24/10 | eff Poor

Posted on 12/24/2010 2:58:30 PM PST by Nachum

Over the last few years, with an economy in decline and the rise of certain developing nations, there have been murmurs of the end of American exceptionalism throughout the media.

Don’t believe a word of it, says syndicated columnist and Fox News contributor Charles Krauthammer.

On the Christmas Eve edition of Fox News Channel’s “Happening Now,” Krauthammer was asked to reflect on the last two years. He explained there was similar rhetoric about the nation’s decline at the end of the 1970s.

“Well, I think this is mostly a reflection of the recession,” Krauthammer said. “The mood of the country going back 20, 30, 40 years, almost always reflects the state of the economy. The late ‘70s was a period of malaise. People were saying oh, the American era is over. The big dictatorships in the world are going to dominate us. That was a reflection of the terrible economic conditions, the stagnation and the inflation late ‘70s.”

With the 1980s, however, the economy came back and the calls of the end of the so-called Pax Americana went by the wayside. He predicted the same would happen this time around.

“When the economy recovered in the ‘80s there was a morning in America,” he continued. “So I would not over-read the move. People are talking about American decline — don’t believe a word of it.

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Who got to Charles K.?
1 posted on 12/24/2010 2:58:36 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Chas. K.

You're over.. played out. Now disappear.

2 posted on 12/24/2010 3:04:28 PM PST by I see my hands (How's that ballot box working out for you?)
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To: Nachum

It didn’t just happen, it took getting rid of Carter and a new vision.


3 posted on 12/24/2010 3:04:53 PM PST by WHBates
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To: Nachum

Maybe he’s angling to become the NYTimes’ resident “conservative.”


4 posted on 12/24/2010 3:05:00 PM PST by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: Nachum

Kraut has soured. What a fool. Then again, nothing really surprising these past few days, he has always been a liberino.


5 posted on 12/24/2010 3:09:37 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Defund, repeal, investigate, impeach, convict, jail, celebrate.)
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To: Nachum

What are we #1 in making any more?

Weapons, I assume.
Aircraft, if Boeing can ever deliver the dream-liner.
Farm equipment (Caterpillar and Deere).
Farm commodities.
Higher education, I suppose. The lead we had is too great to completely lose overnight.
Finance? not any more.
Software? moving offshore.
Fiat money, unfortunately.

We’re not economically dead, but we are in serious trouble.


6 posted on 12/24/2010 3:11:35 PM PST by devere
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To: Nachum

The late ‘70s was a period of malaise. People were saying oh, the American era is over. The big dictatorships in the world are going to dominate us. That was a reflection of the terrible economic conditions, the stagnation and the inflation late ‘70s


Who knew that Jimmy Carter writes under another name?


7 posted on 12/24/2010 3:15:05 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (Now that the libs are in power dissent is not only unpatriotic, but, it is also racist.)
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To: Nachum

Anyone know how to get Krauthammer a message from a citizen of the UNITED STATES of America? Does he take input from the average citizen or is he in a world closed to us average citizens?


8 posted on 12/24/2010 3:19:47 PM PST by Calif4Palin (Proud Moose head....)
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To: Nachum

American decline?

Well, this week we can now add military decline to economic decline, cultural decline and moral decline.


9 posted on 12/24/2010 3:24:15 PM PST by greene66
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To: Nachum
Whoa, Charles needs to take some serious time off, like until after the ‘12 elections. He is letting the ‘old mondale’ in his veins show forth too much.
10 posted on 12/24/2010 3:24:35 PM PST by JPG (There is hope for America and her name is Sarah.)
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To: Nachum

Hey SOUR kraut... please pick up the red phone... obama needs his ass kissed today.

LLS


11 posted on 12/24/2010 3:31:25 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a dim to enter the kingdom of GOD!)
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To: Nachum
I'm of two minds. Given the shinola that's been applied to the U.S. economy over the decades, it's easy to buy in to the declinist story - to the point where an anti-declinist seems a fool.

On the other hand: ordinary Americans, very much including new and/or young entrepreneurs, have been very good at pulling the fat out of the national fire. This mitigative countering makes anti-declinism the way to bet, once different hands take the D.C. tiller.

One of the reasons why Atlas Shrugged is so popular is because it captures the essence of this struggle. If there were a real-life John Galt, he or she could push the U.S. over the edge in times like these.

12 posted on 12/24/2010 3:32:09 PM PST by danielmryan
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To: Nachum

Charles has descended into dementia.

I don’t wish to hear anymore from him.


13 posted on 12/24/2010 3:33:11 PM PST by dforest
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To: devere

“What are we #1 in making any more?”

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Litigation.

Government.

Government litigation.


14 posted on 12/24/2010 3:42:47 PM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - Ps 122:6)
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To: Nachum
Chuck, there is one huge difference between then and now. Monetizing the debt.


15 posted on 12/24/2010 3:51:55 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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“...the repeal represents the taming of the most conservative of the nation’s institutions, the military, by a movement historically among the most avant-garde.”

Why is Kraut talking so breathlessly about such a thing? Did someone forget to hand him his conservative script this week? He sounds like Tingles Matthews for the love of Pete (pun intended). Charles better get back to running his old schtick pretty soon or he’ll be thrown onto the heap with other “conservatives” like Kathleen Parker.


16 posted on 12/24/2010 3:55:29 PM PST by Hayride
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To: Nachum
Krathammer has never been a conservative. The fact that many conservatives - including FReepers - is a mystery to me.
17 posted on 12/24/2010 3:56:55 PM PST by bwc2221
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To: Calif4Palin

He has an e-mail link at Townhall.com.


18 posted on 12/24/2010 3:58:31 PM PST by scrabblehack
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To: Nachum
Sad. The Kraut has passed his prime and is now reverting to his idiot-'rat roots. The malaise of the seventies and the revival of the 1980's didn't just happen you moron. Electing Jimmuh Cahteh and Ronald Reagan respectively had a great deal to do with both.

And btw, you obviously have not a clue as to the meaning of "American exceptionalism." Like most ignorant liberals, you fail to grasp what it is that does in fact make America exceptional in all the world, even at this late date.

What a disappointment.

19 posted on 12/24/2010 4:14:16 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Calif4Palin
You could try but I suspect he is firmly ensconced in the airtight WaPo bell jar.
20 posted on 12/24/2010 4:16:01 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Nachum

Is he paralyzed from the neck down? He never moves and is always in the same identical position while gasping for air like Christopher Reeves always did? But he is sounding more and more like he is on Obama Koolaid!


21 posted on 12/24/2010 4:16:09 PM PST by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Greatest President :George W. Bush!!)
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To: devere
Farm equipment (Caterpillar and Deere). Farm commodities.

CAT is moving a lot of production (and technology) to India. Naturally farm commodity prices will fall as Indian and Chinese agriculture modernizes, while diesel and fertilizer will go through the roof. So it won't be long before America is unable even to feed itself.

I don't know what the K-man was smoking when he said America is not a nation in decline. The rot is undeniable and accelerating. Higher education is the next bubble to burst as more and more realize that a degree is worthless in a world where your job, possibly whole field, will be moved offshore to benefit the balance sheets. The very idea of being an American is being systematically devalued and undermined. The globalists are going to face one hell of a day of reckoning when/if the American people ever wake up to what is going on.
22 posted on 12/24/2010 4:35:06 PM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: devere

> What are we #1 in making any more?

I also would add:

1. Agriculture (food)
2. Information Technology (computers, software, telecom)
3. Bio-technology
4. Pharmaceuticals
5. Health care (surgical tools and techniques, equipment, etc.)
6. I believe US is the world’s most efficient manufacturer
7. Financial services

Probably much more that I can not recall at this time.


23 posted on 12/24/2010 4:39:33 PM PST by bluejay
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To: devere
"What are we #1 in making any more?"

Don't forget TRUCKS and network-computing software of every sort. The actual EQUIPMENT is made in Asia.

24 posted on 12/24/2010 4:42:14 PM PST by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Nachum

The downsizing that is taking place now should have began happening in 2000 when it was obvious that the manufacturing sector was shifting. I do think that we aren’t headed to third world status yet but “normal” is gone for good (and for bad).

The economy will rebound hopefully with more efficient government, and a more vibrant economy, but unlike the early ‘80’s is there are no niche industries (auto industry, paper, rubber, airlines, etc.) to bail us out.


25 posted on 12/24/2010 4:46:48 PM PST by erlayman
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To: bluejay
6. I believe US is the world’s most efficient manufacturer
7. Financial services

LOL! We have better money printing presses than anyone. The Germans could do better, but apparently they remember Weimar and have backed away from the edge, thinking their is some virtue in sound money, which used to be a conservative principle, but certainly not one much followed by the subscribers to this forum.

As for manufacture, we long ago lost it. Their are few companies that combine design and quality production anymore. Apple is one, but they don't manufacture in the US.

26 posted on 12/24/2010 4:49:21 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: devere
Software? moving offshore.

Only for offshore applications. To operate in America as a software developer, you MUST be atuned to American customs and preferably IN America.

Signed, 22 year developer veteran.

27 posted on 12/24/2010 4:49:44 PM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, then Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: bluejay

“6. I believe US is the world’s most efficient manufacturer”

That is hard to accept considering our huge trade deficit.

2. Information Technology (computers, software, telecom) — Rapidly moving or moved overseas! Software, hardware, everything.

Sorry, but your optimism is unconvincing to me. We’re not dead yet, but we are in trouble. Congress for many years has slavishly done the bidding of multinational corporations who favor off-shoring at the expense of highly paid American workers. It’s not inevitable, as Germany as proved. But our government has unfortunately been disloyal to its own citizens.


28 posted on 12/24/2010 4:56:10 PM PST by devere
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To: AndyJackson

> LOL! We have better money printing presses than anyone. The Germans could do better, but apparently they remember Weimar and have backed away from the edge, thinking their is some virtue in sound money, which used to be a conservative principle, but certainly not one much followed by the subscribers to this forum.

I believe you are referring to the government. That has nothing at all in common with financial services, which are delivered by private entities.

Regarding US manufacturing:

1. Change in manufacturing output: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/prod4.t01.htm

2. Top 12 manufacturing countries: http://investing.curiouscatblog.net/2008/09/23/top-manufacturing-countries-in-2007/

While you may chose to believe any thing you like, actual statistics do not support your view.


29 posted on 12/24/2010 4:59:01 PM PST by bluejay
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To: Nachum

You can’t live in the D.C. area and not become a swamp monster. Very few can live there and remain “normal”.


30 posted on 12/24/2010 5:01:47 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: devere

> “6. I believe US is the world’s most efficient manufacturer”

In the previous post, i have provided 2 links that not only support this statement but also demonstrate it to be too pessimistic - US is not only the world’s most efficient manufacturer, we also are the world’s largest.

> 2. Information Technology (computers, software, telecom) — Rapidly moving or moved overseas! Software, hardware, everything.

Low cost, low productivity, low expertise, low paying functions are moving over seas. High margin, high paying jobs are staying right here and more are being created every day. Until Obama introduced his very special anti-Midas touch to the economy, unemployment was at 6% (or less). And it will be there again once the Obama economy is done.


31 posted on 12/24/2010 5:06:17 PM PST by bluejay
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To: bluejay

Making burgers at McDonald’s is considered mfg work to the BLS.


32 posted on 12/24/2010 5:11:34 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: bluejay
Low cost, low productivity, low expertise, low paying functions are moving over seas. High margin, high paying jobs are staying right here and more are being created every day.

I wish I could believe that, but I have a well placed contact at one of the largest tech companies on the planet who says otherwise. The source indicates that they are offshoring everything they can including R&D. In addition to their own efforts, another major line of business for them is helping other US companies follow suit. What is happening is something on a scale America has not seen before. Engineering, programming, legal, radiology--high expertise fields all--are going offshore. Anything that doesn't require your physical presence in America is at risk, because someone, somewhere can do it at a wage you would starve on. In reality it is precisely the low-value work that has a future in America, because the savings in moving it offshore is minimal. Garbage truck drivers, burger flippers, and nail salon employees are probably safe, except they'll have to compete with illegal aliens.
33 posted on 12/24/2010 5:30:13 PM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: bluejay

“Low cost, low productivity, low expertise, low paying functions are moving over seas. High margin, high paying jobs are staying right here and more are being created every day.”

You’re talking about an industry in which I have worked for over 30 years, and I know personally that you are completely mistaken. My own employer no longer hires software developers and data base administrators in the USA, just in other countries. Maybe that will change after the dollar collapses further, but that’s where we are now.

I wonder what else you are completely wrong about?


34 posted on 12/24/2010 5:37:04 PM PST by devere
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To: HerrBlucher
Yes, indeed. Considering America's imploding budget deficit, continued increase in legal and illegal immigration, rampant increases in immoratlity, and more and more spoiled, pampered little Marxists, we have much to fear.
35 posted on 12/24/2010 5:54:06 PM PST by MBB1984
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To: Nachum
With Obama’s ratings lower than Bush I think Obama is almost gone. When the Republicans finally make steps that are favorable to business the economy will come roaring back. The rest of the world will say they did it again.
36 posted on 12/24/2010 6:33:47 PM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: Nachum
Gross debt as a percentage of GDP was 35% back in 1980. Today it's around 80% with more and more government spending to follow.

Krauthammer thinks happy days are around the corner all because we get to keep our puny tax cut.

Charles Krauthammer is a complete and utter idiot.

37 posted on 12/24/2010 6:35:15 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: bluejay
I believe you are referring to the government. That has nothing at all in common with financial services, which are delivered by private entities.

It is so nice to see that there are so-called adults who still believe in Santa Claus. Touching really.

38 posted on 12/24/2010 6:49:00 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: central_va
Making burgers at McDonald’s is considered mfg work to the BLS.

No it isn't.

39 posted on 12/24/2010 7:11:45 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: bwc2221

I agree...I’m always suspect of former high profile Democrats, like Charles and Michael Medved. I knew I was a conservative at age 18, the minute I stepped on an ultra liberal college campus.


40 posted on 12/24/2010 8:00:38 PM PST by teg_76
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To: Nachum
Charlie is not only strange he's ugly...
He stinks like a RINO...
41 posted on 12/24/2010 8:25:21 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Nachum

just more evidence that CK is a neocon. CK needs to leave the room.


42 posted on 12/25/2010 5:34:04 AM PST by unseen1
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Manufacturing a Burger

I guess somebody needs to investigate the BLS and see what happened. With the corruption going on in D.C. I wouldn't be surprised if this didn't slip under the radar.

43 posted on 12/25/2010 5:47:49 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: danielmryan
From Robert A. Heinlein’s "To Sail Beyond the Sunset" (1987):

The America of my time line is a laboratory example of what can happen to democracies, what has eventually happened to all perfect democracies throughout all histories. A perfect democracy, a “warm body” democracy in which every adult may vote and all votes count equally, has no internal feedback for self-correction…. [O]nce a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader — the barbarians enter Rome.

44 posted on 12/25/2010 7:30:55 AM PST by flowerplough (Thomas Sowell: Those who look only at Obama's deeds tend to become Obama's critics.)
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To: central_va
I guess somebody needs to investigate the BLS and see what happened.

Nothing happened. Making a burger at McDonalds has never been considered manufacturing.

45 posted on 12/25/2010 8:23:41 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: indylindy
Charles has descended into dementia. I don’t wish to hear anymore from him.

Hear this:

"Obama" has >40% approval. In a healthy society, he would have 10%.

He got 69 million votes two years ago. While it's true that some of those won't do it again, the depth of fantasy thinking that allowed that to happen is still present.

The MSM is about to start a 23-month long celebration of his accomplishments.

The MSM is planning to assure the nomination of a weak GOP candidate like Romney, or, failing that, to pre-emptively destroy the only American patriot in the race.

If we don't WAKE THE F*** UP and accept the possibility that "Obama", whoever he really is, can be re-elected then we will go into the next two years overconfident.

Two things have to happen:

1) We need to unify behind Our Lady of Wasilla.

2) We need to push her and her advisers HARD to start the smelly and unpleasant job of tearing Obama to shreds, come what may.

I was very encouraged by her Christmas scripture today: 2 Timothy 1:7.

Merry Christmas.

46 posted on 12/25/2010 8:33:09 AM PST by Jim Noble (Re-elect Palin 2016)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Hey, isn't it pathetic that it was considered?
47 posted on 12/25/2010 8:33:24 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Isn't it pathetic that 6 years later, some Freepers are still misinformed?
48 posted on 12/25/2010 8:36:59 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Why don’t you straighten us out on this fine Christmas Day. Tell us how great the countries manufacturing infrastructure is after 20 years of cannibalism by the FREE TRADERS. Have a nice day in Yankee Land.


49 posted on 12/25/2010 8:44:29 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Jim Noble
The MSM is planning to assure the nomination of a weak GOP candidate like Romney, or, failing that, to pre-emptively destroy the only American patriot in the race.

Assuming you are referring to Palin in the latter part of your statement, I agree, the media are going to destroy Palin, worse than they did Goldwater in '64. Obama won't be running against Palin, he'll be running against a media-created caricature of Palin.

There's not much we can do about the media, they're going to burnish the halo of Obama's glory even if the country is in a economic depression greater than the '30s and the Chinese and Russians are landing on our shores in droves. But what we can do different than we did in '64 is not destroy our own candidate, regardless of who it is. Goldwater got only 39% of the vote in '64 against Johnson due in large part to 'Pubs voting for Johnson out of spite, to "send a message" (sound familiar?). If we're smart (and I wonder about that sometimes, when it comes to political strategy and tactics), we won't make the same mistake again.

50 posted on 12/25/2010 8:44:42 AM PST by chimera
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