Posted on 01/09/2011 9:37:25 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike
@j...777, you stated,
“Sightseeing tours in Honolulu still go to the cottage behind the residence on Kalaniana’ole Highway:”
Seriously. This is what you offer as proof? That a tour group charges a handful of dolts $25.00 to drive them out to a property that they have positivity no proof whatsoever obama Sr. ever lived at for a single day?
I think you know that obama Sr.’s collage records and every Polk entry for the man during his stay in HI, listed him at the 625 11th Ave. address. If he had ever lived at the Kalanianaole address, it would have been reflected in the same Polk listing that had Stanley Ann listed as Mrs. obama at that Kalanianaole address. Why have himself listed at a different address, when the Polk data was being solicited?
Say you and I are married, and we live at the same address. The Polk requests our info for inclusion in the next edition, but you up and put in your old Bach. address, while I am submitting it in my new name as MRS. OBAMA at the address we proudly share.
Yes, it’s a fact that some Hawaiian officials have SAID things, carefully and artfully parsed, but nothing like the official long form BC has ever been offered by obama.
The main issue is his declaring himself to have been born subject to Great Britain through his father. Not a natural born citizen.
You are using as examples people who’s family histories are well-known.
Even though it was 62 years later, are you suggesting that the family lineage of Eisenhower was in question? Were there not credible family and friends who were witness to the events of Eisenhower’s birth, and knew of his parents’ lineage?
And of the other presidential births that you say are only noted by entries in family bibles, are you suggesting that there wasn’t an otherwise family legacy that the birth circumstances of these presidents was not in doubt?
Can the same be said of the aka Obama birth? I doubt it.
-PJ
“Ancestry of Barack Obama:”
http://www.wargs.com/political/obama.html
The Arizona shootings provide a distraction from the issue of research on BO's Constitutional eligibility for the office of POTUS.
Looks like France (with its own immigration problems) is unthinkingly jumping on that bandwagon:
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Translation (Web) of the last four paragraphs:
Clarence Dupnik, sheriff of Pima County, is in charge of the investigation after the shooting. Speaking to the press on Saturday, he slammed the abusive environment and the inflammatory rhetoric that currently exist in Arizona, denouncing "the vitriol that comes out of some mouths to call for demolishing the government. " "Unfortunately, I think Arizona has become a kind of capital " of "anger, hatred, intolerance, " he said. "We have become the mecca of prejudice and intolerance. "
Gabrielle Giffords had already been fingered for its support to reform Medicare. It was part of elected officials who had counted 42 acts of vandalism or threats in the first three months of 2010, when the reform was debated. Almost all of these acts were related, directly or indirectly, the record of the insurance. In March, the windows of his home in Tucson had been smashed by unknown just hours after the adoption of the reform.
During an interview on MSNBC in March, Gabrielle Giffords denounced the harsh statements against him from the Republican camp. She particularly referred to a map released by the former candidate for vice-presidency, Sarah Palin. This map, prepared by his political action committee (PAC), showed an America riddled with rifle sights. Each finder designated a district that wanted to conquer the Palin camp. The 8th District of Arizona, that Gabrielle Giffords, was "targeted ".
"When people do these things, they must realize that these actions have consequences, " she had said then. Saturday, Sarah Palin has presented its condolences to the victims, condemning the attack on his Facebook page.
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So the Hawawiian certification is fraudulent. How does that negate the other states certification and election results?
@j...777, you stated,
“Sightseeing tours in Honolulu still go to the cottage behind the residence on Kalaniana’ole Highway:”
Seriously. This is what you offer as proof? That a tour group charges a handful of dolts $25.00 to drive them out to a property that they have positivity no proof whatsoever obama Sr. ever lived at for a single day?
I think you know that obama Sr.’s collage records and every Polk entry for the man during his stay in HI, listed him at the 625 11th Ave. address. If he had ever lived at the Kalanianaole address, it would have been reflected in the same Polk listing that had Stanley Ann listed as Mrs. obama at that Kalanianaole address. Why have himself listed at a different address, when the Polk data was being solicited?
Say you and I are married, and we live at the same address. The Polk requests our info for inclusion in the next edition, but you up and put in your old Bach. address, while I am submitting it in my new name as MRS. OBAMA at the address we proudly share.
Yes, it’s a fact that some Hawaiian officials have SAID things, carefully and artfully parsed, but nothing like the official long form BC has ever been offered by obama.
The main issue is his declaring himself to have been born subject to Great Britain through his father. Not a natural born citizen.
I do believe you missed my point or are trying to deflect from your assertion that the Honolulu paper notices are accurate. They could be. They could not be. The birth record is what it is, and however incorrect the information provided, it is and becomes a part of the newborn’s history and is a legal document.
The notices in the Honolulu paper repeated only what was put on the birth certificate. In the early 60s, given the social stigma of an unwed teen giving birth, the family would say whatever they wanted to protect their daughter’s honor and reputation, and to give the child ‘legitimacy.’
Some 50 years later, the paternity could actually be proved by DNA testing of members of the Obama family in Africa, much as the Sally Hemmings line established that they are at least part of the Jefferson line, even if they could not conclude that it was through Thomas himself. In the Obama case, it would be easier as BHO, Sr was the only one of his tribe anywhere near HI. Not that Jr would ever voluntarily allow DNA testing.
You cited Eisenhower's lack of hospital birth evidence in order to equate Obama's lack of hospital birth evidence.
I asked you if you doubted the accepted history of Eisenhower's parents, and you replied with something about Ireland.
The lack of hospital evidence is offset by personal family history that corroborates the birth. Nobody doubted Eisenhower's parents or their citizenship.
Can the same be said about aka Obama's birth story? Where are the family/friend testimonials to compensate for the lack of documentation?
-PJ
No father listed on true BC? How does this affect his eligibility for POTUSA? There have been questions as to his real father and as you noted there are public records of Stanley’s divorce from Obama Sr.,with a page redacted which might have important info about Obama Jr. But what if Obama came up with a real father who was a USA citizen.
I’ve wondered about the implications of his having an actual American father too. I think what makes the most sense is that Stanley wasn’t sure who the father was, and by extension neither is Obama. As some have pointed out, even if he could prove his father was American, that doesn’t change the fact he was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather and became an Indonesian citizen named Barry Soetero. When and how did he change to Barack Hussein Obama Jr? What about the perjury he committed when he swore on his law license application that he’d never gone by any other name? And what does it do for his credibility and what little popularity he still has if his entire life story turns out to be a farce/fraud?
No matter how it comes out, I don’t see how Obama wins.
No father listed on true BC? How does this affect his eligibility for POTUSA? There have been questions as to his real father and as you noted there are public records of Stanley’s divorce from Obama Sr.,with a page redacted which might have important info about Obama Jr. But what if Obama came up with a real father who was a USA citizen.
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No father, no nbC status. It is still a problem. It is basically the same as a foreign father.
If another father is named (FMD or MX or other) then there is a massive mess. Legally, BHO Sr. is currently the father. Regardless of what really happened, regardless of DNA if it were tested. This was ‘established’ via the divorce (that has a missing page). It also ‘established’ a supposed marriage and supposedly establishes paternity. So LEGALLY, BHO Sr is the father. Without new ‘documents’ and material. That legal fact is not changing, regardless of the real facts.
The Soetoro step father/adoption side track would not have a bearing on nbC status. But the Indonesia side track becomes a problem if Obama utilized his Indonesian citizenship status after the age of majority.
Good point! A malignant narcissist can find a way to turn almost every circumstance to his advantage, and they are above all experts at portraying themselves as the victim. [Even the ones who end up murdering someone blame the victim for what happened.] The fact that Obama NEEDS his BC to remain a state secret tells us its revelation would be massively harmful to him. Since the absence of a listed father couldn’t destroy him, it’s logical to assume there’s more to the story than that.
j...777 - that dude appears to have gotten the same treatment as the good Dr. Fukino. His phone number is “no longer in service”.
Guess we will have to wait for a whole new staff to be brought in. But if you have a special WORKING link or phone number for him at the DOH, I’d be happy to interview him, as long as he’s willing to provide official documented proof that they would allow a person to self-identify as to race/color in 1961. I of course mean, as something other than the official government approved and only authorized codes.
I am not at all afraid to get some actual truth.
None of the research we’ve done, or responses we have had to this question support that claim you make.
You make some fascinating points. Makes it all the more critical to find out if Obama applied for foreign aid at Occidental.
I would think that the very definition of natural born citizen is that one does not have dual loyalties to two countries.
By having dual citizenship, and/or being adopted by a foreign father would absolutely create dual loyalty. I would expect that the natural born status would be nullified but the the U.S. citizenship, itself, would remain intact for the minor child.
But...I would think the legal beagles on the forum would have an opinion.
A lot of key players are no longer around or in their positions.
Fukino - gone.
Factcheck Joe Miller - gone. Now with CBO.
Factcheck Jess Henig - gone. Now with some obscure website.
Gov. Lingle - gone.
Grandmother Dunham (primary source of birth facts) - dead.
This is the total list of people who supposedly have first had knowledge of BHO birth documents.
Yup.
Thanks for posting that. I had heard about it repeatedly, but this is the first time I read the actual account. Wow; this ups the stakes considerably, it seems to me.
Good points.
I was going with the line that a ‘child can give up their citizenship’. That seems to be a messy issue.
But if Obama/Soetoro essentially declared being an Indonesian citizen after the age of majority (18) then he would have forsaken his US citizenship.
Given the blatant hiding of college records and passport records it would seem plausible that Obama utilized his Indonesian citizenship or maybe his Kenyan citizenship after the age of majority.
It sure does. It’s just amazing how little information Obama has been asked to give up. My theory is this. When he declared and joined the campaign, nobody gave him much of a chance. Hillary looked like the winner in a walk. As Obama, aided by his cheating, stealing allies, began to pull ahead, the Dems said, ‘Why challenge him? He looks like a winner for our side’. The Republicans said, ‘Look what happened to George Allen over ‘macaca’. No way are we going to get smeared/slimed as racists by the MSM’.
So Obama slipped past them, and the further along it got, the less motivation the Dems had to probe his eligibility and the more fear the Republicans had. Obama’s popularity was sky high back then, and anybody challenging his status would have paid a terrible price.
At this point everybody’s credibility is on the line. If he’s exposed now, the American people will never again believe the MSM or even anything any politician ever tells them again. So nobody is eager for the truth to come out. Eventually it will, though. Too many people are covering up too much; somebody will let something slip sooner or later, and we’ll get to the bottom of this mess.
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