Posted on 01/09/2011 9:37:25 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike
“My humble opinion is that her place had to be sanitized. He could only control his calendar so much once elected. It had to be done by him and right then. So she died, and was cremated, and scattered.”
They planned to be buried together. They paid for two plots and one is empty today.
Barry probably asked for a refund.
We need DNA.
I read the linked analysis and I have a different take. Although it may be that the HDP and DNC each have authoirty to certify, the analysis says they must be in agreement and if not, then it is up to the Elections Director.
The analysis posits that the only way to get ther Elections Director to put Obama on the ballot unilaterally was to note a disagreement between HDP and DNC. So documentation was created or altered to present a disagreement thereby allowing the Lections Director to use the loophole in the law.
It seems plausible to me that the HDP would not verify eligilbility because the birth records were sealed or otherwise unavailable. So the people in the HDP in good conscience certify without verification. The DNC likely went ballistic with this news from HDP and decided to use the loophole to allow the Elections Director to unilaterally place Obama on the ballot in Hawaii.
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/01/new-report-on-obamas-democratic-party.html
The way the law reads it sounds like the Elections Officer is only allowed to decide what to do if the HDP and DNC name different candidates. To be placed on the ballot at all there MUST be a statement of Constitutional eligibility and there MUST be a statement from the DNC saying specifically who the candidate is for the DNC and a statement from the HDP saying specifically who the candidate is for the HDP. The only time the Elections Officer has any say in it is if the two name different candidates.
Hawaii has said that Obama’s records have not been sealed by anybody in Hawaii. The DNC and HDP both certified before Judge Surrick made any ruling in Berg v Obama and there is no judge’s order to seal the records which is listed in the case documents for Berg v Obama. Fukino said she saw Obama’s vital records so they weren’t sealed as of July 2009. And I did ask the HDOH to see the judge’s order unsealing Obama’s birth records, which allowed them to see his vital records, and was told that no such record exists. So it seems like Hawaii is saying there is no reason for Obama’s records to not be seen by either the DNC or HDP if they had Obama’s approval.
No such records exist? You heard them say Obama’s records do not exist? But they would not give you a letter or search record that conveyed that fact?
Back to the analysis, the HDP refused to certify, why? And the DNC did certify in some sense. That is a discrepancy and I think the analysis is saying this discrepancy is what allowed the Elections Director to put Obama on the ballot.
What is peculiar is how the documentation was altered to setup a situation where the Elections Director could use a loophole and circumvent the HDP.
I speculate that the HDP could not access the birth records because Obama was not giving authorization. So they balked and refused to certify.
Need some new blood members in Congress to hold hearings on this without fear of recrimination.
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NEVER FORGET
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During the 1960’s I personally witnessed several new Mommies coming in to ship their cars back to Hawaii (via Matson Lines http://www.Matson.com ) shortly after their giving birth elsewhere, inside or outside the Mainland United States.
These new Mommies were told by other Mommies present to just go to the Honolulu Officals and proclaim that thier newborns were born in Hawaii and a Birth Certificate showing so would be automatically produced.
It was THAT commonplace ..and well known about by many.. back then..!!!
This was during a 9-10 year window after Hawaiian Statehood when they could get away with it.
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Please excuse my ignorance on this subject....but if there was no long form, then how did Obama get a short form, passport, etc.
And when did all this happen? Did he or his mother do this paperwork?
Thanks!
The COLBs he’s shown have been shown to be forgeries by people more knowledgeable than I am. The theory goes that he traveled on an Indonesian passport until he received his automatic passport as a US Senator. [I’m citing this stuff by memory; perhaps a Freeper with a more ironclad memory than mine can correct any errors I may make.]
It’s my theory that an embarrassing BC did exist for him in HI. It wouldn’t have listed a hospital or dr because he wasn’t born in a hospital. Whether he was born at home in HI or elsewhere I do not know; sufficient facts haven’t been released/uncovered yet.
No doubt the original BC listed embarrassing items, such as his race as Caucasian, and his father either unknown or other than Obama Sr. I doubt that BC still exists, so who know what Abercrombie is babbling about. We’ll know if he’s ever sufficiently pressured to release it.
If that makes sense?
Thanks!!! With all the research done by the many FReepers I too am of the opinion there was rampant fraud back then relating to birth records and obtaining citizenship. Obama may have unwittingly opened an old wound of the state of Hawaii.
Do they also do FBI background cks?
The fact that Senators receive automatic passports commensurate with their office is something I learned from reading eligibility threads. I don’t know how much the FBI investigation, if there was one, turned up. All Obama’s passport records are sealed, as are his mother’s older records.
And then there’s Lt. Quarles Harris Jr. He was a key witness in a case of unauthorized access to Obama’s passport files. He was found shot in the head, in his car, outside his church in DC. The murder has never been solved.
The fact that Senators receive automatic passports commensurate with their office is something I learned from reading eligibility threads. I don’t know how much the FBI investigation, if there was one, turned up. All Obama’s passport records are sealed, as are his mother’s older records.
Very interesting...do we know who would be in a position to authorize such a passport to be issued (chain of command).
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T’was not a legal Hawaiian Birth if new Mommies state for all to hear, including myself, outside Hawaii that her new born was born in another state, in Europe or in Africa.
Which I personally overheard several times during the 1960’s.
Just thought I’d add a first hand in person account to the mix on this Issue?
Also, Barack Obama was born during the very time period that the American People really fell in love with JFK on TV during his extraordinary televised live Preidential News Conferences. Greatly inspiring new Mommies and Daddies to groom their new offspring to be President of the United States someday.
Very, very common during the year 1961.
I know, I was there.
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