Skip to comments.Security guard drops gun, worker shot in leg
Posted on 02/03/2011 10:12:04 AM PST by toma29
From the St. Louis Post-Dispatch:
Chesterfield worker shot in leg after security guard drops gun
A security guard dropped his gun this morning and it fired a shot, hitting an employee of an insurance company in the leg, police say.
Capt. Steven Lewis of the Chesterfield Police Department described the worker's injuries as not life-threatening. The injured man was being treated at a local hospital.
The shooting happened about 9:30 a.m. Thursday at an office building at 390 South Woods Mill Road.
The building houses several businesses, but Lewis said it happened in an insurance company. Lewis didn't have the name of the firm. A worker at that address said there is no security guard employed at the firm.
Lewis said intital calls to 911 indicated a disgruntled worker was on site and there was an "active shooter" roaming the site.
(Excerpt) Read more at stltoday.com ...
I suppose that it could happen, but I am somewhat doubtful. What kind of gun was it?
It had to have been an older gun. Nowadays, it’s nearly impossible to get a firearm to fire without pulling the trigger.
I think most weapons, especially modern handguns, unless the trigger is held, the firing pin is retained or blocked. Free-floating firing pins are old and not in use today.
Remember, the cowboy of old with his western six-shooter didn't have a round in the chamber because it might go off if the hammer was hit.
If the free-floating firing pin was still a factor, then people today would not have a round in the chamber under the hammer.
Something doesn't sound right. . .but maybe the firearm experts here in FR may be able to offer more info.
A very old gun. It smells fishy to me. Guns just don't go off when dropped, even with safetys off and fully cocked. If the trigger isn't pulled, there's always some sort of firing pin safety that prevents accidental discharge when dropped.
I think there’s more, much more not being told.
Well, not any more, at least...
A fully-automatic assault musket.
Did the shot employee’s policy cover it, at least?
Guy was bored, so he tied a string to the trigger and used the pistol as a yoyo. He was trying to walk the dog when it went off.
With obamacare, the doc will see him June 22.
In before blaming Glock
I have a friend who bought a new Kimber SIS
fancy pants pistol.
He was showing it to a friend in his kitchen when he accidentally dropped it.
The pistol landed on the muzzle on the Spanish tile floor, and discharged.
Luckily no one was hurt.
Besides being embarrassed, he was very angry as this model was supposed to have a firing pin block to prevent such an accidental discharge.
He returned it to Kimber and they found nothing wrong with it.
So even modern weapons can fire when dropped.
The SIS has been discontinued by Kimber.
(What a silly name for a pistol)
Personally I wouldn't buy a 1911 with a FPS and I carry in condition one or "cocked and locked". There would be a whole lot more ND's if .45s went off when they were dropped.
Well, His wife and another friend were there, I saw the hole in the floor. I read the documents from Kimber responding to his complaint and denying any fault.
I’m a .45 fan myself, would not have believed it from most people, but this guy was telling the truth. Bank on it.
Methinks he tried to catch it.
Anyone who has competed in USPSA/IPSC and IDPA knows that if a pistol is dropped and the shooter tries to catch it, he will be disqualified. Furthermore, students in a formal professional training environment are taught to never try to catch a pistol.
In the case of 1911s, Hi Powers, and other pistols with a frame or slide mounted manual safety and other internal safeties, it's safe to say that if the gun were in a "safe" position (Condition 1 for instance), the weapon would not fire.
DA/SA weapons such as the classic Sig line and V3 H&Ks have long, 10# DA trigger pulls which would require significant effort to fire the weapon. That is the purpose of the DA trigger stroke on those weapons.
Striker fired weapons such as XDs, M&Ps, Glocks, etc. with their "safe trigger" and no external manual safety might be more prone to firing if the owner were to try to catch the weapon and happen to swipe the trigger. I've owned both a Glock a 22 and 19 and believe in this possibility.
Just my two cents.
It can happen if the pistol was out of battery pushed the case hard enough against the slide it could happen.
I never let me say it again I never rely solely on a safety on any type of gun to many people get shot with guns that are on safe or empty. I carry a 1911a 45 have for many years but I rely on safe handling not the safetys.
I actually got to handle one of those to say the least it was roughly made it looked like it was made the day before but man it was cheap looking.
Other writers have said the exposed sear bar is is not a serious design flaw because other pistols have exposed sear bars (the P.08 Luger does, for example). However, even though several other designs share the same feature (exposed sear bar), none of them will fire if the bar is pushed on a loaded chamber. Other pistols with exposed sear bars have theirs much better protected.
At one time I had a Type 14 Nambu with the enlarged trigger guard. It was of early 1943 manufacture. The pistol, though well balanced, had several flaws: 1) springs tended to weaken easily, 2) firing pin was fragile and was prone to breakage, 3) the firing pin had two different pin diameters (not good for spares), 4) safety was awkward and prone to breakage, 5) fresh 8x22mm ammo was difficult to find, was underpowered, and was very expensive when found.
Conclusion: Nambus are good for a collection, but they are not reliable shooting sidearms.
“. . . none of them will fire if the bar is pushed on a loaded chamber.”
Disclaimer: This is not 100 percent true. If you fiddle enough with the pistols that have exposed sear bars (such as the P.08 Luger), you can get them to fire accidentally with out touching the trigger. However, this is intentionally attempting to get the pistol to fire under such conditions.
In the case of the Type 94, the sear bar is so exposed it can be manipulated easily to cause an accidental discharge.
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