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Ammo Recall
A Day In The Life Of An Ambulance Driver ^ | February 11, 2011 | Kelly Grayson

Posted on 02/11/2011 11:31:02 PM PST by Slings and Arrows

FEDERAL and AMERICAN EAGLE
45 AUTO PRODUCT SAFETY WARNING
Immediate Action Required

Certain lots of recently manufactured 45 Auto ammunition may contain an incorrect propellant charge. Use of product from these lots may result in firearm damage and possible serious injury.

DO NOT USE PRODUCT FROM THE FOLLOWING LOTS:

If you have in your possession any 45 Auto with the following brand names and part numbers, check to see if your ammunition package contains the above lots:

* American Eagle®(AE45A, AE45N1, or AE45A250)
* Champion™ (WM5233), GoldMedal®(GM45B)
* Hi-Shok ®(45C, 45D)

* Federal® Personal Defense ®(C45C, C45D)

Example below:


THIS WARNING APPLIES ONLY TO THE LOTS LISTED ABOVE.

If you possess ammunition from any of these lots, or have questions concerning this warning, please contact us at 1-800-831-0850 or 1-800-322-2342 and ask for Product Service. Federal will provide replacement product and will cover the cost of returning the affected product.

We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

It’d be a damned shame if your Glock 30, Springfield XDM .45, or God forbid, a 1911 (*horrors!*) went kaboom because of defective ammo. Make sure yours isn’t among the recalled lots!


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Just a little news item that I thought would be of interest to Freeperland. (I am not Mr Grayson, BTW.)
1 posted on 02/11/2011 11:31:04 PM PST by Slings and Arrows
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To: Joe Brower

Ping!


2 posted on 02/11/2011 11:31:35 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows; mylife; Joe Brower

Ping.


3 posted on 02/11/2011 11:32:16 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Slings and Arrows

Thanks.


4 posted on 02/11/2011 11:34:43 PM PST by unkus
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To: Slings and Arrows
I'll have to admit the title caught my attention right quick. Doesn't involve any I have however.
Thanks for info.
5 posted on 02/11/2011 11:38:24 PM PST by The Cajun
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To: Slings and Arrows

Definitely good information!


6 posted on 02/11/2011 11:39:25 PM PST by scott7278 ("...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked" - BHO)
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To: unkus; scott7278; The Cajun

My pleasure.


7 posted on 02/11/2011 11:40:47 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Kirkwood

ping


8 posted on 02/11/2011 11:49:19 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Kirkwood

ping


9 posted on 02/11/2011 11:49:26 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Reason #1,393,048 to roll your own.


10 posted on 02/12/2011 12:49:40 AM PST by struwwelpeter
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To: Slings and Arrows

I have about 300 rounds of Federal Hydro-Shok’s. The part # is P45HS1. I can’t find any lot numbers on the boxes. I think that they are OK. Three boxes are at least 5 years old, the rest are new. I hope that they are OK because they were on backorder for 13 months.

Maybe I’ll just give the folks at Federal a ringy-dingy. I shoot 1911’s and I’m kind of funny about them.


11 posted on 02/12/2011 2:56:56 AM PST by Rearden (Deo Vindice)
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To: struwwelpeter
Reason #1,393,048 to roll your own.

Yep, good advice.

12 posted on 02/12/2011 3:11:59 AM PST by afnamvet (Patriots Rising)
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To: 300winmag; g'nad; Ramius; TalonDJ

Ping - OB


13 posted on 02/12/2011 4:26:58 AM PST by osagebowman
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To: Slings and Arrows
I file down my .45 ammo to fit my .40.

I've only died a little.


14 posted on 02/12/2011 4:29:54 AM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, then Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

I think I’d better check.


15 posted on 02/12/2011 5:42:25 AM PST by Verbosus (/* No Comment */)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
16 posted on 02/12/2011 6:41:41 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Joe Brower
Bttt.

5.56mm

17 posted on 02/12/2011 6:45:02 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Slings and Arrows

Hmmm.....

Good thing the damned stuff is so expensive I haven’t bought any in 2 years.


18 posted on 02/12/2011 6:49:54 AM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: Rearden

If you shot one round and the pistol is intact, you are probably good to go.

Truth be told, I cant imagine a 45 acp round blowing up a 1911

45 acp is a pretty low velocity round and the 1911 is mighty stout.

Has anyone ever seen a 1911 go kaboom EVER?
Glocks go kaboom. 1911’s dont.


19 posted on 02/12/2011 6:54:14 AM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: All

Glock wallows out the feed ramp to aid in flawless feed of the ammo.
This leaves part of the case unsupported by the chamber and could result in case blow out with a hot round.

I have seen this happens a few times.
The case blows out at the rim, but it doesnt kaboom the pistol.


20 posted on 02/12/2011 6:59:25 AM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Thanks, and BUMP

/jasper


21 posted on 02/12/2011 7:14:22 AM PST by Jasper (Stand Fast, Craigellachie!!)
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BTW, why does glock have to add to the confusion factor with .45 GAP?


22 posted on 02/12/2011 7:14:31 AM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: Rearden

Good idea - exploding guns make me a saaaad panda.


23 posted on 02/12/2011 7:18:10 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Lazamataz

Miracle Max can help with that.


24 posted on 02/12/2011 7:19:56 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Verbosus

Good idea.


25 posted on 02/12/2011 7:20:45 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Jasper

Always a pleasure.


26 posted on 02/12/2011 7:21:49 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

@$$k ^&&^& #$Q$#$#s ....


27 posted on 02/12/2011 7:22:23 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ ( "Hokahey, today is a good day to die!" Crazy Horse, Lakota Sioux)
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To: Slings and Arrows; hiredhand; Lurker; MileHi; TEXASPROUD; Tijeras_Slim

Thanks for the info....


28 posted on 02/12/2011 7:27:04 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Slings and Arrows; Lazamataz

"It would take a miracle."

29 posted on 02/12/2011 7:31:00 AM PST by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Ammo recall? Let me guess... Sudden acceleration problem? Hee hee.


30 posted on 02/12/2011 7:32:28 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (We be Fooked.)
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To: mylife
Nonsense. Any weapon can Kb! given the right set of circumstances. It's not unique to Glock, and it has nothing to do with supported vs. unsupported chambers. First up, here's your Kb!'d 1911:
1911 Kaboom!


Not convinced? Here's some more:
H&K Kaboom!

M1A Kaboom!

Tikka Kaboom!

Anaconda Kaboom!


31 posted on 02/12/2011 7:33:37 AM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: struwwelpeter

This can also serve as a reminder to reloaders that even a big factory can make mistakes with propellant charges. It’s crucial to make sure everything is right every time with every round.


32 posted on 02/12/2011 7:39:08 AM PST by MediaMole
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To: PowderMonkey

All I can say is I have seen Glocks kaboom.

I have never seen a 1911 kaboom

1911! 100 YEARS OF PERFECTION!


33 posted on 02/12/2011 7:42:33 AM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: mylife

They could have the wrong powder in the cases, they could have substantially too much. The loads could vary from round to round. Get a double charge and watch out.


34 posted on 02/12/2011 7:44:07 AM PST by MediaMole
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To: PowderMonkey
Learned it the hard way. About 15 years ago, I bought a bag of gun show reloads for my Glock mod 30. This was before I met the missus and we migrated to SIGs in .40

The first three rounds, no problemo. Then - kaboom! Fortunately, the gun retained the slide, but the grip body was cracked, the slide distorted and the magazine was spat out the gun along with the unexpended rounds. Wasn't hurt aside from a little numbness to my hand and I had to pick a couple of pieces of brass out of my face.

The lesson here is obvious - don't ever buy gun show reloads! Never did find the guy who sold 'em, BTW. He was basically MIA from then on. I'm guessing that I wasn't the only dissatisfied customer.

35 posted on 02/12/2011 7:50:55 AM PST by Noumenon ("We should forgive our enemies, but not before they are hanged.")
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To: mylife

Yes and yes. Depending on the choice of powder, it is possible to double charge and in some powders, nearly triple charge the .45 ACP case.

You double charge a .45 ACP round, you’re gonna have a bad time. You triple charge a case, you’re gonna have a worse time. Even in a 1911.


36 posted on 02/12/2011 8:03:01 AM PST by NVDave
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To: struwwelpeter
Reason #1,393,048 to roll your own.

For practice, yeah, I agree. Even though I haven't for years. But roll your own for a real encounter (that's not apocalyptic SHTF)? NEVER ... for so many reasons.

37 posted on 02/12/2011 8:09:26 AM PST by ExSoldier
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To: Noumenon
I roll all my own from once fired factory brass that I fired. That and I only use two powders, Bullseye and Unique for that caliber. And I NEVER have them both on the bench at the same time. Never.

I'm so anal about it I do them all on a single stage press. Call me a reactionary but I just don't trust those fancy shmancy progressive jobs.

38 posted on 02/12/2011 8:10:06 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Noumenon
I admit to being a bit paranoid sometimes, but whenever there's a spate of these occurrences (unexplained Kb!s), I'm reminded of a little project conducted by SOG: Project Eldest Son
39 posted on 02/12/2011 8:20:14 AM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Squantos

Man, that could ruin your whole day...


40 posted on 02/12/2011 8:29:48 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: NVDave

I dont reload. but the 45 acp seems pretty low risk.

I would be very cautious reloading something like .308

There is a lot of potential for kabooey with a hot cartridge like that.


41 posted on 02/12/2011 8:45:03 AM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: Noumenon

Blew the damn mag out and locked the slide!

That is what I saw.

twice.


42 posted on 02/12/2011 8:47:20 AM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: ExSoldier
for a real encounter (that's not apocalyptic SHTF)? NEVER ... for so many reasons.

I hear you, I guess. A lawyer friend I shoot with got to talking reloading. For starters, never sell or give away any ammo you make. His main 'caveat', though, is NEVER shoot a burglar with your own rounds, because no matter what, a wily prosecutor will turn that low-power, low-mass target ammo into a custom-made killing/maiming bullet that is banned by the Geneva Convention and under a bazillion statutes. ("Your honor, the accused actually sought out alloys containing toxic tin and arsenic! And he lubed the bullets with a carcinogen!") Let the factory share the lawsuit.

BTW: For serious SHTF I prefer a revolver. 30 years of range time on active duty and reserves with 1911's and M9's leaves me a bit wary of automatics.

I have no problem with the upper end of Lee's chart, which is VERY safety minded. My problem is how low can I go and still get the slide to reload? No need to beat the poor thing to death against paper, especially with 20-30 boxes on the agenda, and it's hard to find non-jacketed commercial rounds. Without reloading (and casting) I'd have to win the lotto to enjoy this hobby.

In my stupider years I experimented, and only by some miracle did I not end up a cyclops.

Reloading rifle ammo is more difficult. REALLY HIGH chamber pressures, super hard allows, strong crimps to keep .30/30 from telescoping inside tubular mags, and most of all YOU PUT THE THING RIGHT AGAINST YOUR FACE.

Has anyone noticed a strange new cartridge case in .45 ACP? I keep running across these cases that take SMALL pistol primers. Weird.
43 posted on 02/12/2011 9:04:24 AM PST by struwwelpeter
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To: struwwelpeter
NEVER shoot a burglar with your own rounds, because no matter what, a wily prosecutor will turn that low-power, low-mass target ammo into a custom-made killing/maiming bullet that is banned by the Geneva Convention and under a bazillion statutes.

That is seriously ****ed up, and I know you speak the truth.

44 posted on 02/12/2011 9:11:49 AM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: struwwelpeter
My problem is how low can I go and still get the slide to reload?

I have had this issue with aguila sub sonic .22

45 posted on 02/12/2011 9:14:54 AM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: struwwelpeter

http://www.texaslawshield.com/


46 posted on 02/12/2011 9:21:00 AM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: Lurker

I learned my reloading chops on a RCBS Rockchuck many years ago. There’s a lot to recommend a good single-stage press. Slows you down, makes you think about what you’re doing.

Having said that, I surely do like the Hornady progressive using their Lok ‘n Load dies. I bought mine about 12 years ago. It does save time, and the caution learned from experience makes it a safe proposition. I still weigh every 20th powder drop, though, depending on what I’m running. And eyeball everything.


47 posted on 02/12/2011 9:46:36 AM PST by Noumenon ("We should forgive our enemies, but not before they are hanged.")
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To: struwwelpeter

If it is a justified shooting, it isn’t going to make a hill of beans what you do it with.

And the” Geneva Convention” doesn’t cover ammo... or have any bearing on a justified self defense case.


48 posted on 02/12/2011 10:24:07 AM PST by Double Tap
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To: mylife

Rifle chamber pressures are higher in normal situations (mid-50K psi), yes, but I must warn you as a guy who reloads and crunches numbers:

There’s a lot more room for error in a .45 ACP case than in a .308 case.

The root of the reason is that smokeless propellants were still in their infancy when the 1911 and the .45 ACP were developed. The cases were made with large capacities to enable the cartridge to meet design goals with the relatively slow-burning powders of the day.

Today, we have a huge number of smokeless powders in comparison to 1911, and not quite as huge a number relative to the 1950’s when the .308 was developed. In particular, we have a lot of development in pistol powders to get denser charges.

If you’re on a progressive press, an overcharge of a .308 will easily be seen. There’s going to be loose powder spilling everywhere in almost any load configuration I can think of in a .308. Unless you’re really, really not paying attention, you’ll know that you’ve double-charged a .308 round.

In a .45 ACP, as I said earlier, it is easy to double-charge them with some of today’s faster-burning powders. By this I mean that you could be pulling away on your progressive press and double the powder charge and not have any spill out of the case. The reloader can be happily pulling away, just stuffing pills down on top of a case, and not paying any attention to whether or not the case was double-charged. Nothing spilled out, so everything is OK right?

Wrong. Oh, so terribly, painfully wrong.

Nominal .45 ACP case pressures are in the high-teens of PSI - like17K to 21K PSI - at normal loads. 23K for “+P” loadings.

A double charge of powder would increase your pressures to 30k+ PSI.

There’s a reason why people have been trying to develop a replacement for the .45 ACP cartridge - eg, the .45 Super, .45 GAP, et al. The .45 Super is mostly about thicker brass at the web that increases the failure pressure for the case - nominal pressures for the .45 Super case are up around 28K psi. The .45 GAP takes the opposite approach - they reduce the size of the case, which reduces the over-charging issue.

This problem of “too much case capacity for modern powders” occurs in other older handgun cases too. It is even easier to do something really wrong in a .45 Colt case.


49 posted on 02/12/2011 10:32:32 AM PST by NVDave
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To: struwwelpeter

The need for small pistol primers is predicated on the higher pressures.

If you have, let’s say, 40K psi in the case, and you have a large primer, that’s that much more area against which the pressure can be forcing that primer to back out.

Since the length of the powder stack isn’t terribly long, the small primers will have sufficient brissiance to light off the powder, and yet be less prone to backing out.


50 posted on 02/12/2011 10:36:51 AM PST by NVDave
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