Posted on 02/12/2011 12:42:10 AM PST by Nickname
One may need a licenses to have his marriage recognized by the state and to receive the tax benefits of marriage recognition, but recognition is a far cry from making a marriage, which can only be done by God.
Having the marriage recognized by the state also subjects it to other laws, such as community property, alimony, child support, etc., all of which were designed to protect "the weaker sex." As with many things the government does it has often foisted the opposite upon us. Women usually reign supreme in a divorce court. However, those issues are legitimate concerns for women and I am not sure how they could be handled through an administrative procedure through the church.
I suppose your view is that were it a "true marriage", a sacrament of the church, these issue are unlikely to arise.
Well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m a little surprised you noticed. I wanted to write an explanation, as you have done, stating that the broad homosexual brush does not include the many homosexuals who believe implicitly in Conservative principles and morality, knowing they are but a small percentage of the populace, and understanding their differences/preferences sexually are not important enough in the overall scheme of things to warrant wholesale upheaval of the American system as the founders viewed it, nor justifying special rights with the unintended consequences.
Not sure why I didn’t write more. Perhaps it was the subconscious Nomex moment mentioned by another on this thread.
Needed fixin'.
Obviously, it is not known by me but I will look it up. If you are right it will, of course, change my mind.
They aren't? What's this?
GOProud Federal Legislative Agenda
1 – TAX REFORM - We support replacing the current tax code with the Fair Tax. Until then, we support death tax repeal; domestic partner tax equity; cuts in the capital gains and corporate tax rates to jump start our economy and create jobs; a fairer, flatter and substantially simpler tax code.
2 – HEALTHCARE REFORM – Free market healthcare reform. Allow for the purchase of insurance across state lines – expanding access to domestic partner benefits; emphasizing individual ownership of healthcare insurance – such a shift would prevent discriminatory practices by an employer or the government.
3 – SOCIAL SECURITY REFORM - The only way to permanent solvency in the Social Security system is through the creation of inheritable personal savings accounts. Personal savings accounts would give gay and lesbian couples the same opportunity to leave their accounts to their spouses as their straight counterparts.
6 – FIGHTING GLOBAL EXTREMISTS – Standing strong against radical regimes that refuse to recognize the basic human rights of gays and lesbians, women and religious minorities.
7 – DEFENDING OUR CONSTITUTION – Opposing any anti-gay federal marriage amendment. Marriage should be a question for the states. (where they win in the courts) A federal constitutional amendment on marriage would be an unprecedented federal power grab from the states.
8 – ENCOURAGING COMMUNITY ENTREPRENEURSHIP – Package of free market reforms to encourage and support small businesses and entrepreneurship. Such reforms would create jobs for all Americans – including gay Americans.
And lest you be fooled by the inclusions: Christopher Barron, GOProud Chairman of the Board: "We are a gay organization, we only work on gay issues, we have never claimed otherwise. My God people." Aug 4, 2010; 4:04pm
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Again, maybe this is anecdotal, but I’ve hardly heard much talk of abortion or other social issues at the conference — and when I have it seems vaguely discordant or anachronistic.
What does this tell us about his priorities?
There is no need for a closer look. The GOProud perversion rights agenda is known.
Not only are you wrong, you are completely wrong and you are aggressively fighting a ghost. Good luck with that, Don Quixote!
Go to their website. They are exactly as I said. They support all the things a good conservative supports. This is one of their legislative goals:
7 – DEFENDING OUR CONSTITUTION – Opposing any anti-gay federal marriage amendment. Marriage should be a question for the states. A federal constitutional amendment on marriage would be an unprecedented federal power grab from the states.
Is that what you mean by They support law that would punish those who oppose perversion.
They simply oppose the federal government getting involved at all. They are not against anyone's point of view from a legal standpoint. They just want the government out of it.
I assume this will change you attitude about them.
Please point out to me where they are seeking special treatment. I went to their site also and I posted a reply to TheBigIf, #48. What are you seeing that I am not?
So the fact that they oppose the one thing that would clarify this issue for the Courts makes them conservative?
Every issue that GOProud takes is calculated to sound as conservative as possible while supporting the radical left-wing perversion rights movement.
Show me one place whereas they oppose anti-discriination laws that punish people and businesses for opposing perversion?
There is non because GOProud support them. They also support special protections for perversion in our military that would punish those who do not want to shower and bunk with those who openly profess a perversion for the same gender.
They are not conservative but are left-wing perverts who support dictating their perverted morality to others.
Sophie B. Hawkins
From Wikipedia:
In August 2007, Hawkins headlined the first Los Angeles Women's Music Festival in support of the festival's dual agenda of supporting animal rescue groups and promoting and supporting female musicians. Hawkins is a vegan and a long-time supporter of animal rights.[2] Hawkins's website states that she is bisexual.[3]
In February 2008, Hawkins re-recorded her hit "Damn I Wish I Was Your Lover" as "Damn We Wish You Were President" in support of presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. Hawkins wrote, "Hillary Clinton's achievements come from her heart. She has initiated so much positive change for families, children, victims of crime and the environment in her struggle for the forward movement of America and the working people of this nation."[4] In May 2010, Sophie affiliated herself with Waterkeeper Alliance, an organization of on-the-water advocates who patrol and protect over 100,000 miles of rivers, streams and coastlines in North and South America, Europe, Australia, Asia and Africa. Sophie is donating 100% of the proceeds of her single "The Land, the Sea, and the Sky" to the organization.
]Personal life
On November 18, 2008, she gave birth to a son, Dashiell Gaston Hawkins. He was named in part for Hawkins's longtime partner and manager, Gigi Gaston, who directed a documentary about Hawkins titled The Cream Will Rise."
What makes GOProud different, IMO, is they are declaring themselves to be conservative even though they are gay. That means they are not claiming special status nor wanting any special treatment from the government. They are saying that not all gays are pushing the liberal agenda.
. . .
GOProud is, first and foremost, a group dedicated to advancing the homosexual agenda from within the GOP.
Please take a closer look at them, especially Chris Barron and his recent comments calling people who disagree with their agenda bigots. On Jim DeMint not attending CPAC, it was said that he belongs on the Island of Political Misfit Toys along with others. They are liberal activists employing liberal tactics.
Here’s a good article that delves a bit into their character:
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/02/10/this-is-too-much-for-me/
It is highlighted in their agenda and you have a link. I posted it. Social Security benefits for "domestic partners" isn't special rights? Insurance plans geared toward "domestic partners" isn't special rights? "Domestic partner" tax equity isn't special rights?
They want government freebies based on the way they have sex. How is that NOT special rights?
This is a Constitutionalist crock. A Constitutional Amendment is by definition a proper federalist action, as by definition 3/4s of the states have to ratify it.
One can argue about keeping marriage at the state level, but this arguement about an amendment is farsical.
Excellent article. Instead of boycotting CPAC, show up and protest loudly and directly at the outrage that is GOProud. ACall for the dismissal of those who are spreading cancer within the conservative movement. And if the deviants are strong enough to take control of CPAC, force them to expel you, which will give you the right to begin a new, truly conservative movement. Just don’t expect support from formerly conservative groups such as National Review and the homo-loving Jonah Goldberg.
Goldberg is supporting the perverts? It doesn’t completely suprise me but I did not know that as of yet.
It is ironic being that he wrote a book about liberal fascism and that the ‘homosexual agenda’ is one of the most fascist movements there is. Funny how he may be blind to an issue that he wrote a book about.
These people aren’t libertarians; they’re garden-variety liberals.
he is no conservative and anyone thinking the homo agenda is normal is not a conservative nor are they normal.
Libertarian, liberal yes but not republican
so here’s a novel idea for those liberally socially , get a libertarian convention set up and make your own agenda do not keep tagging onto the conservative movement to further your own liberal social agenda
why doesn;t the Ron Pauls and the libertarians have their own convention anyway?
Right now they’re trying to change what conservatism is at our convention.
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