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To: Danae
The argument I am responding to is this....

0bama, because of his British citizenship at birth under British law, cannot be a “natural born citizen” of the United States under U.S. law.

My argument is response is this....

So if China decides that all people of 50% or greater Chinese descent automatically have Chinese citizenship at birth under Chinese law, under the above argument, no American of Chinese descent can ever be a “natural born citizen” of the United States.

I agree with your statement that “What (any nation) decides to grant in no way affects what country a given person owes allegiance to with regard to Natural Born Citizenship”.

As such I reject the idea that because of British law, an otherwise “natural born citizen” of these United States under U.S. law will suddenly not be. I reject that idea utterly.

25 posted on 02/17/2011 3:14:36 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream

Reject if if you like, Obama was born with British citizenship. You cannot be a citizen with a second citizenship and be a Natural Born Citizen. TWO nations laid claim to Obama, LEGALLY by virtue of his citizenship at the instant of his birth.

This is why the Natural Born Citizen clause is in the Constitution with regard to qualifying for POTUS. It was a common sense National Security Matter to insure that the person who seeks to be POTUS ONLY had one citizenship possiblity from the instant of his/her birth, and carried forward that same status all their life.

Obama ADMITS he has held in his life, US, and British and Kenyan citizenship. He is LITERALLY relying on your (and all the rest of America’s) ignorance of history, and ignorance of what a Natural Born Citizen IS.

Yes, Obama is relying on your ignorance. So hold to it if you like. The Sun rises in the east, and Obama was never, could never have been a Natural Born Citizen. It doesn’t matter WHERE he was born, he would have been born with British Citizenship if he was born in JFK’s lap.

Obama is an Usurper, and we do not have a constitutional government.

REMOVE THE CRETIN NOW.


39 posted on 02/17/2011 4:18:15 PM PST by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: allmendream
It doesn't matter whether you accept it or not it's not up to your will but it was up to Obama's fathers will! The condition that you are not understanding is that the founders always gave deference to the individual (parent) that being the father and to whom he chose to ally himself with was the final arbitrating factor for the child's birth condition to fall under! The Founders always made the individual sovereign over their own wills this is why even prior to England relinquished the Colonists from their "Subject condition" in the Treaty of Paris, they were considered by the United States as owing no foreign allegiance because they chose by their sovereign wills to adhere solely to the States thus relinquishing themselves from their former sovereigns and as far as the Founders were concerned England was not considered and the relinquishing of the colonist's former "subject" condition in the Treaty of Paris was simply a formality! This is how it has always been since the Declaration of Independence the sovereign individual needs no approval from the state to choose their own allegiance! Our naturalization laws reflected such in that even if a former sovereign were not to release their hold on a person swearing the oath of allegiance to the U.S. and their renouncing of all other former sovereigns, the U.S. only respects that will of the sovereign individual and not the will of the former state! Thus if one owes allegiance to a foreign state it is their choice just like it was Obama's father's choice not to adhere to the U.S. and we would never make him do such and it was Obama Sr's choice which conditioned Obama Jr. at his birth no matter where he was born!
90 posted on 02/18/2011 9:27:45 PM PST by Eagle76
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