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Should public sector unions be banned?
examiner.com ^ | 3/13/2011 | Joe Newby

Posted on 03/13/2011 8:34:25 AM PDT by FredJake

Franklin Delano Roosevelt was right about one thing – collective bargaining has no place in public service.

In a 1937 letter, Roosevelt noted the special relationship between government employees and those who pay their salaries – the taxpayers:

All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters.

Today, Americans nationwide are watching as public sector unions threaten to tear Wisconsin apart over a bill designed to help repair the state’s budget.

Lawmakers have been threatened with death, and the Capitol building in Madison has been stormed, occupied, and trashed.

Union thugs and their radical left wing allies have tried spreading unrest throughout the country, all the while claiming to be fighting for the “working people.”

But as Roosevelt pointed out, public sector employees theoretically work for all the citizens in their jurisdiction, as they are paid from monies taken in taxes.

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: insurrection; thugs; unions; wisconsin; wisconsinshowdown
Given what's happened, they should be banned!
1 posted on 03/13/2011 8:34:28 AM PDT by FredJake
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To: FredJake
Unions wield an unearned amount of political power, and that's our fault. I believe union membership is now around 11% of the labor force, compared to its heyday when it was closer to 27%. Still, politicians have so little stomach for doing what's right compared to what gets them reelected, it's the voters who buy into this crap that leads to the problems we see now. My message to politicians: While you curry favor with 11% of the labor force, 89% of us are really getting pissed off by what you are allowing unions to do.
2 posted on 03/13/2011 8:40:00 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: FredJake
UNHINGED
3 posted on 03/13/2011 8:42:22 AM PDT by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: FredJake

All you have to do is give people the choice whether or not to join them and the unions will go away.

They have only lasted this long because they have managed to literally FORCE people to join and pay dues.


4 posted on 03/13/2011 8:42:22 AM PDT by fightinJAG (TAXPAYERS OF THE WORLD UNITE)
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To: FredJake; humblegunner; Eaker; Allegra; Larry Lucido; 50mm; Bean Counter; thackney; ...

Oh, Look! It’s FredJoejdawg2010NewbyJake, the world’s greatest examiblogger!

(Or at least one of the top 13,455 out of 78,592.)


5 posted on 03/13/2011 8:45:48 AM PDT by shibumi (I am The Nexus One - I want more life, Baby I aint done!)
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To: FredJake
Absolutely public sector unions should be banned, the employers (The taxpayers) have no ability to negotiate with them.

For taxpayers to have a fair negotiating position three things would be necessary:

1) Taxes would have to be voluntary (Taxpayers could chose not to throw good money after bad, as business can).

2) Taxpayers would have to have the authority to close the agency and fire the entire staff (as a business can).

3) Right to work would have to be the law of the state. (Taxpayers could wait until contract expiration and hire non union, as business can).

6 posted on 03/13/2011 8:53:04 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: FredJake
If you visit the examiner blog, wear a full-body cyber-condom!
7 posted on 03/13/2011 8:57:08 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido

Yeah, it seems I got four pop ups, and 13 cookies from it, but I’ve seen worse.


8 posted on 03/13/2011 9:00:38 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: FredJake
The examiner is filled with vile adware.


9 posted on 03/13/2011 9:08:26 AM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: FredJake
Bloggers can post full copy articles - not excerpts - in the bloggers forum. Posting excerpt of your own blog and driving people away from the FR site is considered blog pimping and is severely frowned upon around here.

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2636843/posts?q=1&;page=501

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If a blogger can’t or refuses do that, and if he constantly complains or fights with our participants over it, then I’d just as soon he doesn’t post here. It’s not my job to make his content or his presentation or cooperation acceptable to our readers. That’s his job. And if he cannot do it or refuses to do it and continues posting brief excerpts only and obviously attempting to draw away our participants while loudly complaining about it, then I have no sympathy for his complaints and the more apt I am to ban his account and blog.”

A word to the wise is generally sufficient. We don't want to drive good conservative thought off of FR. But we need to fight a recent surge of people using FR as a launching pad for click-through marketing attacks. This kind of abuse is unfair to our volunteer donors that keep FreeRepublic.com running.

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10 posted on 03/13/2011 9:09:18 AM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: shibumi; Larry Lucido; TheOldLady; 50mm; Eaker; Allegra; Salamander; humblegunner; Bean Counter; ...

Examiner.com ping


11 posted on 03/13/2011 9:10:35 AM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: Navy Patriot

I’ve seen worse too, but usually on porn sites. But at least there, I get boobies. :-)


12 posted on 03/13/2011 9:11:49 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: FredJake
Guess that is why I was so upset with Walker and the GOP legislators. They should have pressed for full removing all bargaining rights from all including police and firefighters.

Unions have no place in Government! They are totally destructive and now it is shown who they are. COMMUNISTS LEADERSHIP.

13 posted on 03/13/2011 9:12:41 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: FredJake

Can a government abuse its employees?


14 posted on 03/13/2011 9:17:19 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: FredJake
"Should public sector unions be banned?"

YES!

15 posted on 03/13/2011 9:19:56 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (Hell really is a bottomless pit of fire. Which side of the line are you going to choose? Palin/West)
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Given what's happened, they should be banned!

Sometimes, blogpimps get banned.

I've seen it.

16 posted on 03/13/2011 9:26:08 AM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Allegra

17 posted on 03/13/2011 9:33:28 AM PDT by shibumi (I am The Nexus One - I want more life, Baby I aint done!)
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To: FredJake
Lets see.... Unions paying off politicians to get get elected to vote in more freebies for the Unions!!!!..
as the normal every day operating environment?...

WELL DUUUUGH!.. Talk about a Union Mafia..

The real question should be when does "RIGHT TO WORK LAWS" GET ENACTED?
Making ALL Unions voluntary.... NOT.... MAndatory..

18 posted on 03/13/2011 9:42:16 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: paulycy; FredJake; humblegunner; shibumi; Larry Lucido; 50mm; Eaker; Allegra; Salamander; ...

If a blog site is a vile, reeking swamp full of malware and spyware, there can be no redeeming features of any blog pimp who attempts to direct traffic there. Not too much hope here, but never give up.


19 posted on 03/13/2011 9:56:44 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: paulycy

Browsing to Examiner.com via Chrome on Fedora gives me as many popups as Obama has long-form birth certificates.


20 posted on 03/13/2011 10:08:55 AM PDT by andyk (Wealth != Income)
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To: TheOldLady

I wish you could see my Firefox cookie list.

*Thousands* of them from sites I’ve never even *heard* of, let alone visited.

Every once in a while I spend an hour deleting a bunch of them but they’re seemingly never-ending.

[and 90% are “click through” crap]


21 posted on 03/13/2011 10:52:15 AM PDT by Salamander (I may be lonely but I'm never alone...and the nights may pass me by......but I never cry.)
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To: Salamander

We spend a lot of time looking at news and politics, so we collect a lot of that sort of stuff. Can’t be avoided, really.

Yes, you have to delete cookies one by one. I really wouldn’t want to erase them all since most websites insist that you sign up before you can do anything there, and I forget my passwords.


22 posted on 03/13/2011 11:00:11 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: TheOldLady

In Internet Exploder, you could just go to the cookie folder, lasso a slew of them and delete them en mass.

Firefox hides theirs somewhere so you can’t.


23 posted on 03/13/2011 11:03:00 AM PDT by Salamander (I may be lonely but I'm never alone...and the nights may pass me by......but I never cry.)
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To: Salamander

Go to “Tools” “Options” “Privacy” “Show Cookies.” It shows them in alphabetical order.

Cute. You can’t tell when they were attached to you.


24 posted on 03/13/2011 11:08:36 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: TheOldLady

Yeah I know where to find *that* but not the system folder where I can obliterate them by the hundreds at one time.


25 posted on 03/13/2011 11:35:04 AM PDT by Salamander (I may be lonely but I'm never alone...and the nights may pass me by......but I never cry.)
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To: Salamander

Oh I see the problem. Ya got me there.

I tried searching for one of the cookies listed in the “show cookies” results, but I got “no items matched your search.”

That’s weird, since the cookies show files with content. I can’t imagine why they can’t be found by a search of the entire computer. Winning The Future?


26 posted on 03/13/2011 12:23:38 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: TheOldLady

Beats me.

The *only* thing I like about Firefox is that it saves my log ins better than IE does.

Other than that, it’s a like surfing with a crash test dummy.


27 posted on 03/13/2011 1:12:52 PM PDT by Salamander (I may be lonely but I'm never alone...and the nights may pass me by......but I never cry.)
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