Posted on 04/04/2011 10:31:21 AM PDT by Bridgetteb
Bush II doesn't cound, as someone illegally leaked his college transcripts without his permission. I don't think any president released all travel documents from his entire adult life. Perhaps a few released medical records.
At any rate, none of those documents has any relation to his eligibility for the presidency.
If people suspecting Obama not to be a natural born citizen are crazy then those calling them crazy can simple show the proof that Obama is a natural born citizen and prove they are crazy; otherwise, they should just shut up.
“evidenciary document that would suffice as prima facie evidence of birth in the USA before any court or government agency”
uh.....NO.
Face it pal, you’re on a loser. Only a matter of T I M E.
uh...YES. It says so right on the document!
LOLLOLOLOLOLOL!
Try using THAT little doc when you attempt to get a passport.
Re: “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.”
The COLB is intended ONLY to attest that the person was born — nothing else. In a sense, it affirms what we can logically assume simply by looking AT Obama. If he’s standing there he must have been born. The COLB is not useful, as evidence, outside of the birth itself, and not the circumstances, such as father, mother, attending physician or nurse, or even the date.
Words are everything when it comes to legislation. Courts wrestle with them when a case hinges on the interpretation of legislative intent. What did the legislature mean when it used a certain word rather than another? Cases can be decided one way or another depending on whether a judge believes that Congress intended something that is otherwise unclear in the legislation itself.
The fact that the disclaimer uses “fact of birth” rather than “facts of birth.” The latter would encompass far more than the latter and could be interpreted to mean the name of the father and mother, doctor, date, etc. Again, words are everything, so when the Hawaiian legislature passed those statutes they meant “fact” rather than “facts” for a reason.
The COLB was intended only to provide an individual with a basic document establishing bona fides. That is, it shows that the person whose name is on the document really was born and is not a fictitious individual.
Hawaiians do it all the time without any problem. What's your point?
LOL! You can't be that stupid!
If what you say above were really true, then there would be no point for the state to issue the document.
Is that the, "oh well, it's already happened" defense? If the gate attendant realized Mohammed Atta shouldn't have been on that flight, but he just walked past her and boarded, should she have just thrown up her hands and said, "He's already in; it'd be too much trouble"?
Because he fooled everyone, and had plenty of others who didn't care whether he was eligible defending him, he should just be allowed to run again without proving eligibility?
So far, there are no Hawaiian officials going to bat for that phony certificate of live birth, saying that this doc proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was born in HI. They couldn't. Because they were given out for people who were not born in HI. And because it's just a photocopy. You'd have to see the original and proof the number, etc. There are so many inconsistencies in that document that it cannot be legit, also.
Why would one trust such verbal confirmation? When Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie has not found any documents to back up such verbal confirmation, you are not basing your argument on the reality of the matter.
The only document showing Zer0's Birth Certificate is a fake document generated by cut and paste techniques and photo shop. It would be poor research on your part if you were not familiar with that effort to throw off the American public with false information.
I have a quiz for you. Where was Barry and his mom the fall of 1961? Let's see if you can do some homework.
If you cannot trust the word of the State health director on such matters, then you have no reason to trust any birth certificates or any other state-certified documents related to vital records. They receive their legal weight from the fact that the state health department certifies them.
When Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie has not found any documents to back up such verbal confirmation,
Mr. Abercrombie never said he failed to find the documents. That is another birther myth.
you are not basing your argument on the reality of the matter.
You are projecting. The person ignoring reality is you.
No, it's the "he already proved it" defense. See my profile for a detailed argument as to why his eligibility has already been proven beyond any reasonable dout.
Seattle. What of it?
Your argument has been weighed and measured and found wanting....in what world could you possibly beat the truth?
...never employed in the entire history of the United States?
I guess the P.O.S. TROLL missed this bit of United States History:
Rep. John Bingham of Ohio -- considered the "FATHER" of the Fourteenth Amendment -- on March 9, 1866:
"I find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parentS NOT OWING ALLEGIANCE to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen..."
(emphases mine)
Did not Obama's daddy owe ALLEGIANCE to a FOREIGN SOVEREIGNTY at his(Obama's) birth?
PS: I think there are more than one troll posting under the name "curiosity." I hope the mods are watching the account.
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As a side note, A bill to sell copies of President Barack Obama’s birth records to anyone for $100 died in the Hawaii Legislature. I suppose there was no such document to sell.
The Mike Evans Hollywood Insider radio interview sounds like he had the solid facts about the birth documents and how they could not be found:
http://www.maggiesnotebook.com/2011/01/hawaii-gov-neil-abercrombie-no-obama-birth-records-in-hawaii-mike-evans-interview/
And so did Barry Jr he owed allegiance to Kenya to at least up to age of 23, and if he was born there he still does.
From the Supreme Court treason case in Kawikita v. United States, 1952:
"One who has a dual nationality will be subject to claims from both nations, claims which at times may be competing or conflicting. The nature of those claims has recently been stated as follows:
"A person with dual nationality may be subjected to taxes by both states of which he is a national. He is not entitled to protection by one of the two states of which he is a national while in the territorial jurisdiction of the other. Either state not at war with the other may insist on military service when the person is present within its territory."
Kawikita was born in the United States but was also a citizen of Japan. The usual OBot argument would make him a natural born citizen like they say Wong Kim Ark is, but that's impossible for someone with multiple allegiances as we see here.
Death Certificates are public records as are Birth Certificates for the deceased.
Anyone seen these for Obama’s mother or grandmother??
See post #36 & #38
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