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Birthers R Crazy or R They?
https://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2011/04/03/birthers-r-crazy-or-r-they/ ^ | April 3, 2011 | Red Pill

Posted on 04/04/2011 10:31:21 AM PDT by Bridgetteb

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To: curiosity
At any rate, none of those documents has any relation to his eligibility for the presidency.

Has anyone taken you up on this fallacious part of your argument? It's interesting and relevant too, how one's travel documents apply to whether or not you are a natural born citizen.

a natural born citizen is one who has no voluntary allegiance to another country as an adult. This is not written down anywhere, but it doesnt need to be. Americans would not have voted for George w bush if he had applied for a French passport and traveled under it, would they have? It is pure common sense that one would not have trusted his loyalties, since to own a passport of a land is to swear allegiance to it, especially if you applied for it as an adult.

Do you get it? And there is evidence that Barack Obama, in his adult college years, traveled to Indonesia and Pakistan for some duration. He was once a citizen of Indonesia; it stands to reason that he could have been traveling on his Indonesian passport. We do not know for sure. This is a travel fact that would make a huge difference to Americans to know. If he swore allegiance to Indonesia as an adult, he loses his natural born citizenship, if if if he ever had it.

61 posted on 04/05/2011 7:02:55 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Danae
I have been looking at the pdf copy of the birth announcements posted by Butterdezillion yesterday. She has done brilliant work - and it's clear that there are a number of discrepancies here: 1) The online images of the Honolulu Advertiser posted in 2008 by two individuals seem to be identical, even though they claim two different sources (Hawaii State Library, and Honolulu Advertiser). More telling, the actual microfilm of that day's birth announcements at the Hawaii State Library itself is old and lined, unlike the almost pristine copy of the online images. Question - Where did these online images come from, if not from the Hawaii State Library ?

2) Also in 2008, virtually identical images of the announcements in the Star Bulletin were posted online, with the source again claimed to be the Hawaii State Library. These Star Bulletin images listed identical births to the Honolulu Advertiser. The actual Star Bulletin microfilm at the Hawaii State Library for that day's birth announcements is longer with 26 additional birth announcements. Clearly, the online Star Bulletin images were cropped/fixed to appear identical with those of the Advertiser. Question - Why would the Star Bulletin have 26 more birth announcements than the Advertiser if the source is the Vital Records Office ? Suppose the source of the birth announcements also include mere phone calls by relatives to the Hawaii newspapers ?

It gets very interesting. Clearly, there are several discrepancies with these announcements which would rule them out as a source of primary evidence for Obama's birth. Only a fool like O'Reilly would rely on these announcements.

Thanks to ButterD for good work done.

62 posted on 04/05/2011 7:32:49 AM PDT by Sloane_Ranger
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To: Sloane_Ranger; butterdezillion

Butterdezillion’s work is absolutely BRILLIANT.

She deserves a great deal of thanks!

Butter! YOU ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Butterdezillion. Now THAT is WINNING!


63 posted on 04/05/2011 7:53:06 AM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: Danae

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I have to admit that it’s disheartening that I can’t find any way to get the research into the hands of people like O’Reilly and Trump. The most informed people in the world on this issue are at the grunt level, not the generals.

So us grunts who are out here doing and/or learning the research listen to the generals dicker back and forth and they all just seem increasingly irrelevant because they have no idea what’s already been discovered.


64 posted on 04/05/2011 9:06:58 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: butterdezillion

I hear you. It is unbelievably frustrating.


65 posted on 04/05/2011 9:14:28 AM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: Danae
This has been a long 3 years, and this burden isn't light or easy to carry.

Our opponents strategy has been to concede nothing and hope that we will get frustrated, tired and eventually give up while they run out the clock. I thought that Obama would either provide valid proof that showed he was a Natural Born Citizen or bow out of the race. I was wrong. It could have been for a number of reasons.

McCain had his own difficulties regarding his Natural Born status since his Birth Certificate shows that he was born at Colon Hospital, City of Colon, Republic of Panama which was not on the US Military Base, not in a US Territory and was outside the official “Panama Canal Zone” and could in no way be considered US soil. There are valid legal questions concerning the actual Natural Born status of children of US Service Members born abroad... but to my knowledge this has never been definitively resolved. The US Senate passed a resolution declaring McCain to be Natural Born Citizen, but that was a political move not a legal ruling with any real meaning.

At some point was there a backroom political “wink, wink, say no more” deal reached between top Republican and Democrat leadership and each side agreed not to make Natural Born Citizenship an issue in the race? If so this could help explain why top Republican leadership have declined to pursue this issue. They may have willingly participated in undermining the US Constitution and found themselves duped into this absurd situation.

66 posted on 04/05/2011 10:29:48 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: Sloane_Ranger; butterdezillion
I have been looking at the pdf copy of the birth announcements posted by Butterdezillion yesterday. She has done brilliant work.

Butterdezillion is one of my greatest Heroes / Heroines on Freerepublic. I thank her too for diligently continuing her quest for the truth.

67 posted on 04/05/2011 10:33:19 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: fireman15; butterdezillion
Butterdezillion is one of my greatest Heroes / Heroines on Freerepublic. I thank her too for diligently continuing her quest for the truth.

Amen!!!

68 posted on 04/05/2011 10:58:10 AM PDT by Faith
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To: Bridgetteb

If anyone thinks asking Obama for proof of his natural citizenship is “crazy” then all they need to do is show the proof that he is. Simple enough, yet, no one, not even Obama, has been able to do it.


69 posted on 04/05/2011 11:05:52 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: curiosity

“especially when said birth in the USA is verbally confirmed by a State official charged with maintaining state birth records.”

*yawn*

Let us know when that happens under oath or on an official State document. Until then, it is hearsay.


70 posted on 04/05/2011 11:08:45 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Danae

“born under the sole jurisdiction of”

“sole” has never been part of any historical nor current definition.

US law, 8 USC 1401, enacted in 1952 long before Obama was born, clearly states:

Ҥ 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;”

Notice there is no “sole” in that law? If you want to nail Obama, nail him on the fact that he has yet to even prove that he was born here and therefore cannot possibly meet section 1401 definitions of a natural born citizen.


71 posted on 04/05/2011 11:14:40 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Sloane_Ranger

Brilliant snapshot of butterdezillion’s tireless, genius work! Excellent post.

Those announcements were tampered with, without one shadow of a doubt.


72 posted on 04/05/2011 11:15:06 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: butterdezillion

It is so frustrating. I bet trump knows this now, but he’s not out there talking as much, I guess. I hope he truly truly cares about this, the biggest mystery and potential scam in our nation.

I can’t get regular people to really listen to this info too. They all cock their heads as if I am a conspiracist. It is really frustrating.

We need to keep asking publicly, is Obama even eligible???? He has to prove it.


73 posted on 04/05/2011 11:18:19 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Cicero
Exactly the opposite is true of the names liberals choose for themselves. They ran the word “progressive” into the ground earlier, until everyone recognized that it meant Communist, if not Stalinist. So they started calling themselves liberals. Now they’ve run that word into the ground, and they’ve resurrected the world progressive. Won’t be long before they run that into the ground again.

I've seen the term "dem/lib/prog/pops" used to describe the rabid left. Works for me!

74 posted on 04/05/2011 11:20:54 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason ("All men are liars where pretty girls are concerned." (Dead Like Me))
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To: Sloane_Ranger

At the time of Obama’s birth in 1961, parents could rather easily get a Hawaiian birth certificate for a baby who wasn’t born in Hawaii.

1. Aug. 4, 1961 — Obama supposedly born in Hawaii in Kapiolani hospital.
2. Aug. 5, 1961 — Nordyke twins born in Hawaii in same Kapiolani hospital. Copies of long form birth certificates are on internet.
3. Aug. 8, 1961 — Obama’s birth certificate is filed with Hawaii vital statistics, if we are to believe what we see on Obama’s short form birth certificate that we see all over the internet.
4. Aug. 11, 1961 — Nordyke twins birth certificate filed with Hawaii vital statistics.
5. 10641 — Obama number on short form birth certificate that we see all over the internet.
6. 10638 — Nordyke twin number on top of long form birth certificate.
7. 10637 — Nordyke twin number on top of long form birth certificate we see on internet.
8. Huh? What is going here that does NOT smell right? Why does Obama’s certificate have a HIGHER number than the Nordyke twins’ certificates, when the Obama certificate was filed 3 days EARLIER: Aug. 8 vs. Aug. 11.
9. So, if Obama’s birth certificate was filed on Aug. 8, then it should have a LOWER filing number than the Nordyke twins’ birth certificates that were filed on Aug. 11.
12. But as we can see above, Obama’s birth certificate received a HIGHER number-—10641-—than the Nordyke twins-—10637 and 10638.
13. Something does not smell right concerning why Obama’s number is greater than the Nordyke twins.
14. I wish that the Nordyke twins would demand that Hawaii officials explain why they received LOWER numbers than Obama. They obviously have so-called “standing” to ask questions about their own Hawaii birth certificates.

http://www.theobamafile.com/_eligibility/CertificateNumbers.htm


75 posted on 04/05/2011 11:35:05 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: CodeToad
Let us know when that happens under oath or on an official State document.

The COLB is and official state document.

76 posted on 04/05/2011 1:51:00 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: bushpilot1
Ok Troll Bot...what is the name of the Doctor who delivered Obama Junior.

Why? Are birthers are now insisting that one must be delivered by a US citizen doctor to qualify for natural born citizenship?

77 posted on 04/05/2011 2:12:02 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: Yaelle
"One problem. We cannot penalize a child for dual citizenship of his parents, or even his own dual citizenship. Remember that another country can even involuntarily confer citizenship on anyone."

The problem is Obama's (putative)father was NEVER an American citizen, nor did he even have any intention of becoming a citizen.

If you were born in America (jus soli) and your parents were BOTH American Citizens (jus sanguinis)you are a natural born Citizen of the united states.

Natural born Citizenship is (almost) an indelible state.

It is my understanding that one would have to voluntarily -- and positively -- renounce such citizenship, at the age of one's maturity.

Other countries "conferring" THEIR citizenship would not impinge in any way on the rights, or the prerogatives, of a natural born Citizen (see definition above) of the United States nor could such countries bar a natural born Citizen from holding office as President Of The United States.

STE=Q

78 posted on 04/05/2011 2:12:39 PM PDT by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: butterdezillion
Why do 90% of Americans believe Obama has NOT proven his eligibility?

I seriously doubt that's true. Got a source? Wait, don't tell me...it's a WorldNutDaily poll. Right?

79 posted on 04/05/2011 2:14:28 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: Yaelle
a natural born citizen is one who has no voluntary allegiance to another country as an adult.

Nope. Natural born citizen simply means US citizen at birth.

80 posted on 04/05/2011 2:14:41 PM PDT by curiosity
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