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To: K-Stater

codetoad wrote “In fact, Lincoln himself had written and argued that free slaves should not be welcomed into the State of Illinois.”

Read Chapter 6: http://www.americascaesar.com/

And I quote from Lincoln in Sept. ‘58:
“I am not in favor of negro citizenship... Now my opinion is that the different States have the power to make a negro a citizen under the Constitution of the United States if they choose. The Dred Scott decision decides that they have not that power. If the State of Illinois had that power I should be opposed to the exercise of it.” (note 27)

Of course that was WAY back in ‘58 before he declared war on the South without Congress’s approval (something we’re all familiar with today) a few years later. So he must’ve had a change of heart, right? Except AFTER the glorious Emancipation Proclamation he goes on:

“I have urged the colonization of the negroes, and I shall continue. My Emancipation Proclamation was linked with this plan. There is no room for two distinct races of white men in America, much less for two distinct races of whites and blacks.
I can conceive of no greater calamity than the assimilation of the negro into our social and political life as our equal....
Within twenty years we can peacefully colonize the negro and give him our language, literature, religion, and system of government under conditions in which he can rise to the full measure of manhood. This he can never do here. We can never attain the ideal union our fathers dreamed of, with millions of an alien, inferior race among us, whose assimilation is neither possible nor desirable.” (note 29)

Are we done playing kids games now? Please do your own homework and read the book, and see how many of your “facts” hold true.


68 posted on 04/11/2011 11:22:34 AM PDT by phi11yguy19
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To: phi11yguy19
And I quote from Lincoln in Sept. ‘58...

And what of it? Dred Scott made the issue moot, and even if Lincoln had not chosen to respond to a Douglas attack on him on this issue there was nothing he could do about it anyway. Regardless, the claim was that Lincoln is quoted as saying free blacks were unwelcome in Illinois. If this is your standard then obviously free blacks were unwelcome in any state in the Union.

Of course that was WAY back in ‘58 before he declared war on the South without Congress’s approval (something we’re all familiar with today) a few years later.

You declare war on other countries, not rebellious parts of your own. No declaration of war would have been appropriate.

I have urged the colonization of the negroes, and I shall continue. My Emancipation Proclamation was linked with this plan. There is no room for two distinct races of white men in America, much less for two distinct races of whites and blacks.

Lincoln supported colonization for most if his adult life. If that makes him an evil person then he's in pretty good company because men like James Monroe, John Breckenridge, and Robert Lee all supported the same cause. Does your condemnation extend to them as well? And where were any of these men evil in wanting to assist those free blacks who wanted to in carving out their own life free from the oppression and racial discrimination that they faced in the U.S., North and South?

Are we done playing kids games now?

Not when you insist on doing so.

Please do your own homework and read the book, and see how many of your “facts” hold true.

I have. Far more so than you apparently.

71 posted on 04/11/2011 11:38:49 AM PDT by K-Stater
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To: phi11yguy19

I don’t believe that the US declared war against the rebels.


74 posted on 04/11/2011 11:46:44 AM PDT by rockrr ("Remember PATCO!")
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