Skip to comments.M. Bachmann On Fox News: Obama Should Show The "Birth Certificate" And Let It Be Examined
Posted on 04/17/2011 5:15:50 PM PDT by RobinMasters
Michele Bachmann On Fox News: Obama Should Show The "Birth Certificate" And Let It Be Examined To Make Sure It Is A Valid Document
Video: Michele Bachmann: Obama Should Show The "Birth Certificate" And Let It Be Examined To Make Sure It Is A Legal Document... The Fox News segment aired on 4/17/2011...
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Nitty gritty Bump.
“In Before the Obama Apologists in 4, 3, 2 ...”
You mean the DU trolls that were hot and heavy over the past week?
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I wish people would just drop this whole thing regarding the birth certificate. If there were issues to be raised, it should have been done 3 or 4 years ago.
At this point, 0bama has a HORRIBLE record to attack and run against. He’s the worst president anybody alive today has ever seen. He has been wrong on just about every single thing he’s made a decision on while in office. The economy is going to hell, employment is in the toilet, and we are but one ‘black swan’ event away from total collapse. That birth certificate, or lack thereof should be the very least of anyone’s worries.
If there truly is evidence he isn’t eligible for office, it should be held on to until he is OUT of office, and THEN every single thing(everything) he did while president would be nullified instantly! Every law he signed, every executive order, and every presidential appointment(goodbye Bull Dike and wise Latina). It would be as if his worthless presence never infected the White House.
And the wars we're involved in?
Wrong, wrong, wrong, as you can be.
It's Bull Dyke.
Get it right next time, okay? :)
why take the chance we get McCained again
if we can legally get rid of him now, do it!
“If there truly is evidence he isnt eligible for office, it should be held on to until he is OUT of office, and THEN every single thing(everything) he did while president would be nullified instantly! Every law he signed, every executive order, and every presidential appointment(goodbye Bull Dike and wise Latina). It would be as if his worthless presence never infected the White House.”
Sure...and if he were (God forbid) to win in 2012 we’d just have 8 years of nightmarish legislation (with its hooks in society) to “nullify”? Dream on!
Seems all the politicians held a deaf ear to their constituents but seem to jump on the Trump bandwagon once he began to make national headlines.
Brings forth a question, do they represent their district or The Donald?
There's a document called the United States Constitution. Give it a read some time.
They were all afraid to touch this thing until DT forced it upon the MSM and doesn’t back down easily.
For that one thing, I give him credit.
Now what his endgame is, well, we’ll see.
But the issue keeps growing. Even beyond the supermarket tabloids, lol.
In order for this issue to start gaining some real traction, the discussion is going to have to be focussed like a laser on how someone could be granted a Certification of Live Birth (which is of course all Obama has) when they don’t actually have a birth certificate from a Hawaii hospital (which is believed to be the case since no hospital claims to be the place of his birth).
According to some who have researched it that was possible, in Hawaii in 1961, but we need those exact circumstances to become the center of the discussion before the MSM is going to even entertain the possibility he might not have actually been born there. Unfortunately, the specific circumstances in which it could have actually happened are rarely mentioned, and the discussion is instead veered off into a bunch of other outlying issues that make the overall topic too large for anyone to digest.
On the rare occasions it does come up, it’s usually centered around the statute that Hawaii allowed children who weren’t born there to be registered, which is a definite possibility of what happened, but in the eyes of many that theory is shot down as the COLB lists Honolulu as the place of birth, and the discounters claim that wouldn’t be the case if it had been granted to someone born elsewhere (although they offer no real proof of this). But the fact they did allow some who were not actually born there to get a COLB is the natural place to start the discussion.
Then the discussion should venture into how a COLB may have been granted back then to someone who simply presented a newborn baby, or even just called the birth in. If that was accepted, as some claim was the case, then the newspaper postings are easily explained as well. But it all starts with exactly how COLB’s were presented to those without an actual BC, as it apparently did happen in some cases, and it’s the only way to ever get this issue the credibility it deserves - to show a REAL possibility of how someone may have a COLB, even though they weren’t actually born there.
Good for Michele. Yet another Republican steps into the light.
I will not vote for Donald Trump in the coming primary, but he is doing a great service for his country. I thank him for that.
Try wishing harder. It's not going away.
When filling up with gas MENTION OBAMA"S name.
It was raised 3-4 years ago.
It has been resisted by the Obama at great cost and effort.
Waiting until he is out is to let an imposter do as he likes, only to stop him after he is done.
And no, once proved little will be reversed. Any bill passed by Congress and NOT vetoed becomes law. Since we do not have a President, or we do (Biden) who is unaware of his real title, all bills sent to the President’s desk became law when the veto period expired.
The last time gas prices started to spike, some folks made up stickers with eye-catching slogans that they stuck on the gas pumps.
I think it's time to re-visit that idea.
I can recall when the "smart people" like Rove and McCain counseled against attacking Kerry's war record and status as a hero. They denounced the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth who saved the GOP's sorry ass.
It is about time that we go after Obama's personal narrative where he is most vulnerable. His associations with Ayers, Farakahn, Rev. Wright, ACORN, Frank Marshall Davis, Rezko, etc. were off limits by McCain. We are supposed to believe his autobiography and accept his life story without ever seeing his school records, long form of his birth certificate, etc. He needs to be turned inside out like every other Presidential candidate. He is vulnerable. He can be attacked on both policy and personal issues.
"The president celebrates his 49th birthday Wednesday. On the same day, a new national poll indicates some Americans continue to doubt the president was born in the United States. According to a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey, more than a quarter of the public have doubts about Obama's citizenship, with 11 percent saying Obama was definitely not born in the United States and another 16 percent saying the president was probably not born in the country.
Forty-two percent of those questioned say they have absolutely no doubts that the president was born in the U.S., while 29-percent say he "probably" was.
Note: Viewed another way, 58 percent have doubts that the President was born in the US. Why not pressure Obama to release the long form of his birth certificate? Even if he was born in the US, there is the very real possibility he is hiding something that could be damaging to him if made known. Once Obama loses his personal credibility, he is finished.
"Not surprisingly, there are big partisan differences, although a majority of Republicans thinks Obama was definitely or probably born here," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "Eighty-five percent of Democrats say that Obama was definitely or probably born in the U.S., compared to 68 percent of independents and 57 percent of Republicans. Twenty-seven percent of Republicans say he was probably not born here, and another 14 percent of Republicans say he was definitely not born in the U.S."
If there truly is evidence he isnt eligible for office, it should be held on to until he is OUT of office, and THEN every single thing(everything) he did while president would be nullified instantly!
And if he is reelected for another 4 years? If there is real evidence that he is not eligible to hold the office of the Presidency, he should be removed immediately. It would be insane to allow someone to remain in an office he is ineligible for. The rule of law should obtain.
A couple of years ago, some Dem commented that Obama had spent about a million dollars on the BC. I read another estimate yesterday that he (and the Dem party) had probably spent over $10 million in trying to suppress the issue and eliminate the evidence. So that means, realistically, that they've spent about twice that.
It would cost them about $15 or whatever the filing fee is to present the true birth certificate. There's no way they would be spending millions of dollars to suppress it if they could actually present it for $15.
Sssshhhhh!!!!! - you’ll wake Biden up. He’s no doubt trying to sleep as Barry drones on and on and on somewhere.
He celebrates his 49th birthday because Obummer says it’s his 49th birthday...who knows where he was born, when he was born, and to whom he was born. The only thing we know for sure is he is a proven liar, who knows what is the truth?
Somebody dropped YOU on your head.
That's why the media is abusing everyone who asks the question. They want this to go away ...NOW. They created this president for the purpose of being able to push a radical leftist agenda with very little opposition because of his race.
Now, this question just won't go away and their only recourse if to attack anyone who mentions it.
The problem [for them] is that more an more people are beginning to wonder. Not so much where he was born really, but why he won't [or can't] do something to put this to an end.
It is precisely the constitutional rule of law that is at stake.
Here is the problem. In 2004 the Federal government mandated birth certificate standards for the first time - the law was the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004: National Standards for Drivers Licenses, Social Security Cards, and Birth Certificates.
In this law the Federal government mandated a minimum set of requirements for birth certificates:
(b) Standards for Acceptance by Federal Agencies. -
(1) In general. - Beginning 2 years after the promulgation of minimum standards under paragraph (3), no Federal agency may accept a birth certificate for any official purpose unless the certificate conforms to such standards.
(A) at a minimum, shall require certification of the birth
certificate by the State or local government custodian of
record that issued the certificate, and shall require the use of safety paper or an alternative, equally secure medium, the seal of the issuing custodian of record, and other features designed to prevent tampering, counterfeiting, or otherwise duplicating the birth certificate for fraudulent purposes;
So Federal law is driving changes in birth certificates. What does the Federal government require as a minimum to be on a birth certificate as proof of citizenship? This:
(a) Primary evidence of birth in the United States. A person born in the United States generally must submit a birth certificate. The birth certificate must show the full name of the applicant, the applicants place and date of birth, the full name of the parent(s), and must be signed by the official custodian of birth records, bear the seal of the issuing office, and show a filing date within one year of the date of birth.
Obama’s COLB meets all federal requirements for a birth certificate if it is printed on security paper and stamped/signed by the state. No Federal court would reject it as proof of citizenship.
More to the point, by now in most states when you ask for a birth certificate, you are going to get a form like Obama’s - when my son was born in Virginia that was the only birth certificate we got from the state. The days of “long form” birth certificates with a doctor’s signature is dead.
I don’t think I would go after Obama on the BC. What I would do is attack his 4 years in office as the worst in American history. I would openly call him a Communist and force the MSM to say that Cass Sunstein, Bill Ayers, Van Jones, Susan Powers, George Soros are not Communists.
I would tie every policy of his to one of these people and how it impacted America.
And if we win in 2012 and also get the Senate, first thing on the agenda is to bring the MSM before congress and find out why they hid this for 4 years.
“In this law the Federal government mandated a minimum set of requirements for birth certificates:”
But our International Man of Mystery putative Chief Executive isn’t re-applying for a driver’s license or passport.
51.45 Department discretion to require evidence of U.S. citizenship or non-citizen nationality.
The Department may require an applicant to provide any evidence that it deems necessary to establish that he or she is a U.S. citizen or non-citizen national, including evidence in addition to the evidence specified in 22 CFR 51.42 through 51.44.
My theory is that the papers show he is a bastard child Legal or not legal. He does not want to be known as the first bastard President of the United States. Just a thought.
Right, and thanks for the very detailed explanation as to why this is now so. But even though we're now in a world that accepts a COLB as satisfactory for most anything, we need to show that one from Hawaii in 1961 is NOT necessarily acceptable proof for being President of the US, as COLB's were apparently granted to those who weren't even born there, so long as the parent was a citizen of Hawaii. Also according to some reports they were may have been given out to those who simply reported the birth, without a legitimate birth certificate from a Hawaii hospital. Once people start focusing, singularly, on the fact that COLB's were legally given to those who weren't even born there, they may even quit accepting them for things other than POTUS.
“Obama Should Show The “Birth Certificate”
He would if he had one. He just doesn’t.
But there is no other information needed to determine citizenship. Everything he needs is on his COLB.
Your take reminds me of a situation of a man robbing a bank and going on a Bermuda vacation with the loot. The cops know the man, know he did the heist but decide to let him enjoy the loot and time before officially charging the thief. No way should Obama, and his gang, be allowed one hour of spending/wasting USA citizens wealth.
I think that's pretty evident, given the fact that he's allowed this issue to damage him for nearly three years now. He would have shut it down LONG ago, if he had any ability to do so.
I don't trust Donald Trump as far as I can throw him, but I'm very glad that he's provided the air cover for the leading Republican presidential contenders to step out front with the issue.
It's my hope that Trump will beat Obama to a pulp, then gracefully step away from the primary. That is the ideal scene.
The GOP politicans all seem like whipped puppies to me.
“I don’t trust Donald Trump as far as I can throw him, but I’m very glad that he’s provided the air cover for the leading Republican presidential contenders to step out front with the issue.”
I don’t really trust Trump either so I am waiting to see what he does about getting in the race. If he gets in as a Republican and gets in the debates then we can all decide for ourselves about him. The smear machine is really starting to open up on him so he is doing somethng right.
John Roberts isn’t going to let it come to his court.
It's not a "smear" when it's the truth. A smear is always a lie, and no one on this side of the aisle is lying about him.
I'm afraid that Trump doesn't pass the smell test for consideration by conservatives and right-thinking Republicans. Not even close.
That said, he's doing a great service for his country by exposing Obama.
Thanks for posting this as it explains why a Nordyke-style black background microfiche copy of the contemporaneous vital record isn't good enough for the Feds. Too much high-quality imaging software out there for counterfeits.
What this statute is describing is a safety paper enhancement of the previous FRE 902 “hearsay exception.” IIRC it is a hearsay exception to allow a certified public vital record, like a BC, to be “self-authenticating.”
Rule 902. Self-authentication
Extrinsic evidence of authenticity as a condition precedent to admissibility is not required with respect to the following:
(1) Domestic public documents under seal. A document bearing a seal purporting to be that of the United States, or of any State, district, Commonwealth, territory, or insular possession thereof, or the Panama Canal Zone, or the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands, or of a political subdivision, department, officer, or agency thereof, and a signature purporting to be an attestation or execution.
(2) Domestic public documents not under seal. A document purporting to bear the signature in the official capacity of an officer or employee of any entity included in paragraph (1) hereof, having no seal, if a public officer having a seal and having official duties in the district or political subdivision of the officer or employee certifies under seal that the signer has the official capacity and that the signature is genuine.
(4) Certified copies of public records. A copy of an official record or report or entry therein, or of a document authorized by law to be recorded or filed and actually recorded or filed in a public office, including data compilations in any form, certified as correct by the custodian or other person authorized to make the certification, by certificate complying with paragraph (1), (2), or (3) of this rule or complying with any Act of Congress or rule prescribed by the Supreme Court pursuant to statutory authority.
A Hawaii official doesn't have to show up at the state department or court to testify that the COLB is authentic. The seal and signature stamp of the registrar is sufficient for government purposes for most citizens.
In Obama’s case, self-authenticating means that if there was a court hearing the custodian of the records wouldn't have to show up in court to testify that the data on the computer printed 2007 COLB correctly matches the underlying 1961 long form BC from which the computer image was derived.
But the presumption of self-authentication is only prima facie (at first look) and can be challenged. A request to the court for discovery of the “best evidence” underlying 1961 underlying vital records could be made to a judge based on other evidence which could justify such a request, such as the founder's intent that a candidate for POTUS be held to the highest NBC standard or evidence that Obama was not born in Hawaii or that his birth circumstances were not properly reported to HI officials in 1961.
Whatever the NBC standard is (not yet ruled on by SCOTUS, IMO) it is higher than that of an ordinary citizen which could justify discovery of Obama’s "best evidence" 1961 vital records.
“I’m afraid that Trump doesn’t pass the smell test for consideration by conservatives and right-thinking Republicans. Not even close.”
I don’t trust Trump at this point. If he wants to declare and run and go through the debates with everyone else and put out his agenda then I will take a closer look at him. I would like a more conservative candidate like Bachmann or Cain but we have to win in 2012. Losing is not an option. I will in the end vote for whoever I think can actually win and get rid of Barry. So far Trump is doing us all a favor hammering away at the BC issue. I’m not going to trash him while he’s attacking BHO.
I've read enough documented information about Trump right here on Free Republic, to feel my due diligence on him is complete.
I'm not going to give my vote to someone who gave Rahm Emanuel $50,000 for his Chicago mayoral campaign just months ago. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Frankly, I hope he never declares, and simply knocks Obama's lights out for the next couple of months. He's a hero in my book for doing that, but I won't support him for president.
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